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cheriotyesterday at 11:24 PM5 repliesview on HN

I'm game for throwing rocks at Apple and Google, but I don't get this one.

> consumer apps embed ad SDKs → those SDKs feed location signals into RTB ad exchanges → surveillance-oriented firms sit in the RTB pipeline and harvest bid request data even without winning auctions

Would you ban ad supported apps? Assuming the comment you're responding to is realistic, I'm not sure how the OS is to blame.


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godelskitoday at 1:03 AM

Neither big players have refined enough permissions. These set users up for giving away more data than they think.

Maybe one clear example is needing a permission once for setup and then it remaining persistent.

An easy demonstration is just looking at what Graphene has done. It's open source and you wana say Google can't protect their users better? Certainly Graphene has some advanced features but not everything can be dismissed so easily. Besides, just throw advanced features behind a hidden menu (which they already have!). There's no reason you can't many most users happy while also catering to power users (they'll always complain, but that's their job)

https://grapheneos.org/features

autoexectoday at 12:08 AM

> Would you ban ad supported apps?

There's no need to ban ad supported apps when you can just ban the practice of using ads targeting users based on individual characteristics.

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hedoratoday at 12:09 AM

Apple supposedly does this with the privacy report cards.

However, I'd be shocked if a cursory audit comparing SDKs embedded in apps and disclosed data sales showed they were effectively enforcing anything at all.

lmeyerovtoday at 12:00 AM

You can trace the big players

If Google & Apple & friends refused to take a rake and opened distribution, then I'd agree, net neutrality etc, not their problem

But they own so much, and so deep into the pipeline, and explain their fees to courts because "security"... and then don't do investigations. They employ some of the best security analysts in the world and have $10-30B/yr revenue tied to just the app store fees, so they very much can take a big bite out of this if they wanted.

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inetknghttoday at 12:15 AM

> Would you ban ad supported apps?

Yes, I absolutely would. Advertisements are a scourge upon people's wellbeing on top of being ugly and intrusive.

If you want to build a free product, that's great. Build a free product.

If you want to make money from your product, then charge for your product.

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