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kartoffelsafttoday at 3:31 PM2 repliesview on HN

I've noticed a very sudden uptick in users of FOSS software being so low trust that they will see a small change, assume it's much larger, and then retreat to some rationalization that it's still bad when shown it's pretty small (slippery slope / boiling frog type arguments). I'm not too familiar with this story in particular but I have been following the Systemd birthdate field controversy, and it's exhausting. I don't even think of myself as that high trust compared to the people taking issue, but it's like they're in a completely different world. Is this actually a trend (in specific, not the general loss of institutional trust) or am I only now paying attention?


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Scaledtoday at 5:48 PM

Well, we can certainly disagree about the harms (fingerprinting) and slippery slopeness (AV started for porn, but we all knew it wasn't going to stop there)

But to get to the meat of your question, trust is lost through betrayal. Organizations have been deciding unpopular policies without consulting their users, or having meaningful methods for users to opt out or push back. For a long time, users assumed open source would be the last bastion of privacy and user freedom, and then were shocked when those values were not actually shared by maintainers.

The paternalistic perspective that the organization knows users hate something but push it anyway is always going to lose trust. That practice needs to stop, and instead consider how open source can treat the user base as important stakeholders.

data-ottawatoday at 6:45 PM

The problem is for over a decade companies keep doing enshittification tactics and it’s destroyed trust.

Plus there’s been a lot of public to private migrations like minio and others that feel like total rug pulls.

I am with you that the birthday field is blown way out of proportion, but I’m also positive that once that’s enforced governments will use this to restrict whatever they don’t like arbitrarily (see LGBTQ book bans).

Trust in open source devs is definitely down. There was that book lore app drama just a couple weeks ago because the dev used AI, and the community didn’t like AI (which escalated poorly).

Nobody really cared how the open source sausage was made, but now it’s the most important thing to people.