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TheDongyesterday at 7:10 PM2 repliesview on HN

Being unable to install an alternate app store or sideload my own apps means I need an apple ID to use the computer I purchased.

Again, android phones with GrapheneOS or windows machines with linux let me use my hardware fully without creating any advertising-ridden-evil-corporate-company's account, including building and running my own apps.

I can't even build my own code for iOS, let alone run it, without an apple account (and paying apple money).


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zadikianyesterday at 11:58 PM

Ok, that's all I meant, you can use the phone without logging in. Yeah you need it for the App Store. Well even if the App Store let you download as guest, the real problem would be that the phone doesn't let you download from elsewhere (mostly).

There is also the ability to build code on your Mac and run on your phone without paying, but pretty sure at least one step in that requires a free account. Guess you could download, build, and run open-source apps that way.

antiframeyesterday at 9:12 PM

> windows machines with linux let me use my hardware fully without creating any advertising-ridden-evil-corporate-company's account

Does Windows machines with Linux here mean WSL2 on Windows? I think the problem people have had with Microsoft accounts is exaclty that they need to use a Microsoft account to use their computers and they don't like it.

If it instead means Linux machine (not sure what Windows has to do with it), then I think people are genuinely happy to have the freedom to use their hardware as they see fit without asking for permission or updating Microsoft or Apple.

You can use an Apple computer without an Apple ID and build your own code on it, but that does seem to be a holdout from the old days when Apple had products like the II Plus and System 9. It feels like they're moving towards the Microsoft model of /mandatory/ accounts even for their desktop OS.

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