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supern0vatoday at 12:33 AM4 repliesview on HN

Is it a serious problem that you can run whatever software you want on your computer? Should we make it so that no one can do that without permission to protect them?

I recommend Cory Doctorow's talk on why this is a serious problem for society:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Com...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg


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glensteintoday at 1:08 PM

Could you try to put more of a effort into keeping the specifics in view and not turning the whole conversation into a view from 10,000 ft filled with drive by generalities? You might as well be linking to a Wikipedia entry on 1984.

We have moved away from an existential threat to F-Droid to a speed bump which lets it live. As is often the case, it's a both can be true situation in that I don't like the ratcheting up of restrictions, but think possible without contradiction to note how the change over time has impacted F-Droid compared to prior iterations of the proposed policy.

It disappoints me that people on HN aren't sufficiently in control of their own attention to the point of being able to show up to that conversation, as the fate of F-Droid has been central to this saga if you've been following it over previous HN threads.

renewiltordtoday at 1:37 AM

Yes, lots of vulnerable users get harmed by modern tech. E.g. people have lost their minds using AI, their livelihoods using smartphones, their life savings using the Internet. In general, I prefer a solution where any mental health issue (age-related infirmity, ADHD, etc.) result in protection from modern exploitative tech like this.

Every application use for such people should be supervised by a government official trained to ensure you are not hurting yourself.

This way people who want to use AI, smartphones, or the Internet can do so if they’re healthy and the mentally disabled can be protected. We know that this need exists because even on this “Hacker” News forum everyone gets very upset when a mentally disabled person gets injured after AI use.

bitwizetoday at 3:55 AM

Not enough people give a shit about "general purpose computing" to matter. They use computers for a few things and as long as they can do those things they're fine with it. My wife loves all her Apple gear. It provides her with a wonderful, curated experience. Okay, maybe it hasn't been so good with recent iOS releases but it still beats Android or Microslop. Being able to hack, modify, or install arbitrary stuff on your device is something only a minority of a minority care about, statistical noise in the quarterly sales figures. When you compare that to the harm done by malware, illegal or indecent material, and the negative blowback to YOUR OS's reputation—or worse, the "felony contempt of business model" enabled by a general-purpose OS (piracy, ad blocking, etc.)—it's a no-brainer to implement restrictions.

cyberaxtoday at 5:38 AM

> Is it a serious problem that you can run whatever software you want on your computer?

Unfortunately. I talked about this a bit on LWN: https://lwn.net/Articles/1063741/

The problem is very, very real. I don't doubt that Google also has ulterior motives, but in this case they _are_ justified at least partially.

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