alt Hacker NewsThere's a package manager discussion, but the bit that stands out to me is that this started with a credential compromise. At some point when a project gets big enough like axios, maybe the community could chip in to buy the authors a couple of YubiHSM or similar. I wish that _important keys live in hardware_ becomes more standard given the stakes.
Dealing with dependencies is another question; if it's stupid stuff like leftpad then it should be either vendored in or promoted to be a language feature anyway (as it has been).
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Totally agree.
Also, considering how prevalent TPM/Secure Enclaves are on modern devices, I would guess most package maintainers already have hardware capable of generating/using signing keys that never leave hardware.
I think it is mostly a devex/workflow question.
Considering the recent ci/cd-pipeline compromises, I think it would make sense to make a two phase commit process required for popular packages. Build and upload to the registry from a pipeline, but require a signature from a hardware resident key before making the package available.
Most of axios' functionality has effectively been promoted to a language feature as `fetch`, but the problem is people don't bother to migrate. I've migrated our direct usage of it but it's still pulled in transitively in several parts of our codebase.
Even left-pad is still getting 1.6 million weekly downloads.
Or those people can (fund) separate repackaging and redistribution with more stringent and formalized review process.
Maybe not all users should pull all packages straight from what devs are pushing.
There's no reason we can't have "node package distributions" like we have Linux distributions. Maybe we should stop expecting devs and maintainers and Microsoft to take responsibility for our supply-chain.
>maybe the community could chip in to buy the authors a couple of YubiHSM
There's no community, the users of axios are devs that looked at stackoverflow for "how to download a file in javascript", they barely know or care what axios is.
Now the users of axios are devs that ask Claude Code or Codex to scrape a website or make a dashboard, they don't even know about the word axios.
I personally had to delete axios a couple of time from my codebase when working with junior devs.
> At some point when a project gets big enough like axios, maybe the community could chip in to buy the authors a couple of YubiHSM or similar
I kind of feel like the authors here should want that for themselves, before the community would even realize it's needed. I can't say I've worked on packages that are as popular as axios, but once some packages we were publishing hit 10K downloads or so, we all agreed that we needed to up our security posture, and we all got hardware keys for 2FA and spent 1-2 weeks on making sure it was as bullet-proof we could make it.
To be fair, most FOSS is developed by volunteers so I understand not wanting to spend any money on something you provide for free, but on the other hand, I personally wouldn't feel comfortable being responsible for something that popular without hardening my own setup as much as I could, even if it means stopping everything for a week.