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codemogtoday at 2:59 PM9 repliesview on HN

Don’t work for evil companies.


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kaladin-jasnahtoday at 3:12 PM

I tried to do this out of undergrad (graduated last year). Many companies do both good and bad things to me, some more good than bad. The "best of the best" companies to me require many years of experience and are still competitive. I didn't really want an entry level job at an "evil" company, so I'm going to go do a PhD (in something unrelated to my original interest in operating systems, as I don't want to be a 30k/yr automaton part of Meta's R&D machine).

My point is: it's very, very, very hard to do this, especially with my set of interests (lots of OS work is in the datacenter, which leads to jobs with hyperscalers; I consider many of those companies evil). I'm trying. It will probably make my QoL worse for some time, and I'll probably give up eventually.

Also, evil is undefined in some sense. Is it wrong to do something "good" at a company that has an "evil" aspect?

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raw_anon_1111today at 3:11 PM

So exactly what for profit company is on the side of the angels?

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liveoneggstoday at 3:02 PM

your local food bank only has so many open positions

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Steve16384today at 3:07 PM

Ideally it would be "don't buy from Oracle", but we don't get to affect those decisions.

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01284a7etoday at 4:07 PM

The right thing to be said here. Oracle is trash. Would you expect rude idiots to be nice smart people all of a sudden?

newsofthedaytoday at 3:06 PM

List successful companies you would not define as evil.

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sleepybretttoday at 5:25 PM

It's very very hard to do this because any public company will be evil in the name of 'shareholder value' EVERY.SINGLE.TIME.

tomberttoday at 7:51 PM

Easier said than done. Most of us end up working for monsters if you go high enough up on the ladder.

I'm certainly not saying that you shouldn't have boundaries; there are certain companies that I will absolutely not work for no matter what they pay me (e.g. Palantir). I'm just saying that if you draw the line at "don't work for bad company", it's going to be hard to pay your bills since due to the lovely world of capitalism the people on top are usually sociopaths.

To be clear, I do agree broadly; if you can find a company that has decent people running it and doesn't appear to be evil to you, you should probably work for that company. The problem is that the job market is very competitive and you often have to take what you can get.

I'm in a privileged position to where I can be a little choosy with my work (for now!), but I can't really judge someone who has a family to take care of for doing what they need to to pay the bills.

georgemcbaytoday at 3:11 PM

> Don’t work for evil companies.

I'm certainly not a fan of Oracle (or the wider scale damage the Ellisons have been doing), but I also can't bring myself to be so flippant when an action this large is going to cause untold amounts of personal tragedies.

See, for example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/employeesOfOracle/comments/1s8m58p/...

Today this unfortunate guy, tomorrow perhaps me.