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jstanleyyesterday at 6:20 PM5 repliesview on HN

I'm in camp 1 too. I've maintained projects developed with that mindset. It's fine! Your job is to make the thing work, not take on its quality as part of your personal identity.

If it's harder to work with, it's harder to work with, it's not the end of the world. At least it exists, which it probably wouldn't have if developed with "camp 2" tendencies.

I think camp 2 would rather see one beautiful thing than ten useful things.


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couchandyesterday at 6:58 PM

I think camp 1 would rather see ten useless things than one useful thing.

xienzeyesterday at 11:24 PM

> If it's harder to work with, it's harder to work with, it's not the end of the world.

Yeah it just takes longer and makes you miserable in the process. No biggie!

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ambicapteryesterday at 6:34 PM

> At least it exists, which it probably wouldn't have if developed with "camp 2" tendencies.

Ah yes, if you aren't shitting code out the door as fast as possible, you're probably not shipping anything at all.

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Imustaskforhelpyesterday at 6:40 PM

I think I fall in camp 1.5 (I don't fall in camp 1 or camp 2) as in I can see value in prototyping (with AI) and sometimes make quick scripts when I need them, but long term I would like to grow with an idea and build something genuinely nice from those prototypes, even manually writing the code as I found personally, AI codebases are an hassle to manage and have many bugs especially within important things (@iamcalledrob message here sums it up brilliantly as well)

> I think camp 2 would rather see one beautiful thing than ten useful things.

Both beautiful and useful are subjective (imo). Steve job's adding calligraphy to computer fonts could've considered a thing of beauty which derived from his personal relation to calligraphy, but it also is an really useful thing.

It's my personal opinion that some of the most valuable innovations are both useful and beautiful (elegant).

Of course, there are rough hacks sometimes but those are beautiful in their own way as well. Once again, both beauty and usefulness is subjective.

(If you measure Usefulness with the profit earned within a purely capitalistic lens, what happens is that you might do layoffs and you might degrade customer service to get to that measure, which ultimately reduces the usefulness. profit is a very lousy measure of usefulness in my opinion. We all need profit though but doing solely everything for profit also feels a bit greedy to me.)