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ericmaylast Friday at 7:06 PM8 repliesview on HN

By that same logic that fact that we only lost 1 F-15 in, what, almost 3 weeks of bombing is actually a pretty good sign. Especially when you factor in that the Russians (proven) and Chinese (yet to be proven) are assisting Iran and Iran has been buying and building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people just for this very attack, only to have almost everything obliterated.

And 3 weeks in to the war and the US is flying refueling tankers to refuel Blackhawks in the very area the F-15 was shot down to recover the pilots (1 so far has been received) should be much more informative than it seems to be.

But sure... the KARI system in Iraq.


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oa335last Friday at 7:35 PM

> Iran has been buying and building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people

Iran spends about 2.5% of its GDP on defense, compared to USA at around 3.5%. How much should they be spending?

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locat...

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anigbrowllast Friday at 8:06 PM

The US has lost mutiple KC-125 tankers and an E3 as well, although those were destroyed ont he ground rather than shot down.

building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people

Just yesterday, Trump was talking about another $1.5 trillion for defense in the coming fiscal year, and saying the US can't afford things like daycare, medicare etc.

Iran's military budget as a % of GDP has historically been inthe low single digits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_Iran

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culilast Friday at 10:35 PM

Well there were also the 3 F-15's that were shot down in one day in Kuwait. CENTCOM said it was a "friendly fire" incident

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ajrosslast Friday at 10:01 PM

> By that same logic that fact that we only lost 1 F-15 in, what, almost 3 weeks of bombing is actually a pretty good sign.

"Good sign" of what, though? Air superiority? I guess, sure. But we've constructed a strategic situation for ourselves where mere air superiority is losing.

The straight remains closed. Because let's be blunt: if we can't reliably fly a F-15E or A-10 in the region, there's no way an oil company is going to bet its crew and cargo.

Honestly the best situation here is that Iran merely decides to toll the straight. That's "losing" too, but at least one with a merely "large financial overhead" on international energy traffic instead of a disastrous 15% off the top cut in capacity.

Iran is winning. This is the difference between tactics and strategy.

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cjbgkaghlast Friday at 7:17 PM

I’m reading one of those Blackhawks was shot down. An A-10, F-16, and a refueling plane, in addition to the F-15 so far today. Which, if true, is not a good sign.

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mathgradthrowyesterday at 12:04 AM

I don't know if any have completed runs yet, but supposedly we're using B-52s...

fastasucanyesterday at 5:06 PM

>Iran has been buying and building all of this military infrastructure at the expense of living conditions for its people just for this very attack,

And how much is US spending?

>just for this very attack, only to have almost everything obliterated.

The spending was apparently justified.