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ryandrakeyesterday at 5:03 PM6 repliesview on HN

Unlike an elected government, who the common people at least in theory have a chance to replace via elections, the public pretty much has no say in what these companies and their leadership are allowed to do. Nobody voted for Meta. Nobody voted for Palantir. Nobody voted for Philip Morris. You can say that someone "voted with their wallet," but that doesn't point to a viable solution. "Not voting with your wallet" essentially means becoming a hermit and living isolated in the woods. Because there are no alternate companies that are ethical. Ethics have costs, and the nature of competition means that ethical companies will always be outcompeted and die to companies who don't care to pay those cost.


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cousin_ityesterday at 5:48 PM

The phrase "voting with your wallet" is hilarious to begin with, because it admits that rich people have more voting power and implies that's how it should be.

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altmanaltmanyesterday at 8:40 PM

The elected government can do something about these companies and their leadership if the people who elect them force it. It is not the job of the general public to regulate companies and their behavior; it's the job of the government in a regulated free market, and the common people elect the government.

giwookyesterday at 6:17 PM

I don't disagree with you entirely.

But we're not powerless. I'd argue that we saw the impact we can have when we act collectively when Trump tried to pressure ABC into cancelling Jimmy Kimmel. It took ABC a few days maybe before they capitulated (again, except this time to their customers).

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Noaidiyesterday at 5:40 PM

> "Not voting with your wallet" essentially means becoming a hermit and living isolated in the woods.

This is a total exaggeration and just gives power to these companies. You can start here:

https://www.resistandunsubscribe.com/

YOU voted for Facebook when you use it, by not installing a hosts file that blocks it and all advertisements. We do not need to use these platforms, and the less people that use them the less you will need to use it.

All we have to do is start making their profit fall and they will change. But it must be a strong and unified effort.

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CPLXyesterday at 5:22 PM

The solution is to not allow concentration of corporate power at this level and to break it up when it happens anyways.

The root cause under all this IS government policy. All the giant tech companies are the product of years of already illegal behavior that was not enforced.

jmyeyesterday at 7:35 PM

> Nobody voted for Meta.

Of course they did - they “voted” for them every time they signed on to Facebook or Instagram or used WhatsApp, and they doubled down every time they let their children use them. They vote for them every time they elect grifters and spineless toadies to office.

These companies don’t have users by default. They have users because shitty people use shitty services made by even shittier people because they need their little hits of dopamine.

None of that, at all, has a fucking thing to do with being a “hermit living in the woods” unless you’re determined to make the contrived, obviously bullshit argument that “everything, everywhere is terrible so it’s all pointless so just keep scrolling”.

But that would be trivially asinine.

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