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ronanfarrowyesterday at 5:31 PM7 repliesview on HN

As is always the case with incredibly precise and rigorously fact-checked reporting like this, where every word is chosen carefully (the initial closing meeting for this one was nearly eight hours long, with full deliberation about each sentence), there is more out there on that subject than is explicitly on the page.


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kmfrkyesterday at 6:13 PM

One of the decidedly eerier parts of this story as you keep reading are all the gaps between what people are saying about Altman, and what they clearly want to say about Altman but can't.

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xnxtoday at 2:00 AM

> where every word is chosen carefully (the initial closing meeting for this one was nearly eight hours long

For anyone unfamiliar with this process, the New Yorker documentary is well worth the watch: https://www.netflix.com/title/81770824

Teevertoday at 12:20 AM

You mention many proxies of Musk who post negative content about Altman.

In your investigation were you able to determine if Altman has similar proxies?

How common would you say that this is? Do these kinds of people generally have teams of people who sling mud for them?

Can you speculate on how that manifests on a site like Hackernews?

next_xibalbatoday at 5:15 PM

> ... where every word is chosen carefully...

In light of that...

> "Texts from this period show Altman coördinating closely with Nadella"

Why did you make the odd choice of a diaresis on this word?

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jonstewarttoday at 1:42 PM

This might be the major dilemma in the tech industry today, where the natural tendencies of literalism and optimism among technologists has turned into a form of defensive credulity. The real world rigor of The New Yorker’s editorial standards and concerns about defamation necessitate this circumscribed style that rewards close reading and skepticism, but those aren’t in favor in the tech industry currently.

fuzzfactortoday at 5:20 PM

With this in mind, I think you would be the perfect investigative journalist to track down the archives of The National Enquirer.

This was our "hometown" gossip paper in South Florida, and you should have seen the pictures and stuff that they did print. And this was after threats of celebrity lawsuits in the mid-1970's had curtailed any tendency to exaggerate.

Back when almost nobody outside of New York had heard of Trump, he started coming down to play golf and made quite an impression among the well-established Florida real-estate operators. They could see right through him like any other fake millionaire from New York, which were a dime a dozen. There was just a general consensus among many visitors that what happens in South Florida stays in South Florida. Epstein grew up in this environment.

You would see pictures of him with unidentified non-Stormy dates, and some insinuation in the gossip column but you knew they were holding back from anything that could not be truly verified.

By the time of his presidential run, it looks like he had become well acquainted with David Pecker who owned the Enquirer. I wouldn't be surprised when he sold the publishing company that there are archives somewhere that contain all the supporting stuff that was unverified at the time. When Trump & Epstein were much younger running buddies for so long.

trvztoday at 8:43 AM

Calling your own article all those things is a major turn-off.