alt Hacker NewsI'm not deep into the topic, but AFAIK there generally isn't a warm connection between the CCC and the BND in Germany (in the recent years mostly due to the BNDs involvement ins spying on German citizens, but I think there is also deeper history there). If a hacker collaborates with the BND they do run a risk of many of their peers not wanting to collaborate with them anymore.
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Well at least the german state can collaborate with russian agents in projects like wirecard and not violate any laws when threatening journalists reporting on its collaborations.
>There (...) isn't a warm connection between the CCC and the BND in Germany
Fun fact: In the 1990s, the CCC e.V. was declared a terrorist organization by the BND. Also, a lot of members have been sued for Landesverrat (high treason) for disclosing found vulnerabilities and/or doing journalistic work.
For example, the netzpolitik guys have been sued for high treason twice.
Just as a side note on how competent the German state is to use their existing talent to work on issues in cyber security.
> If a hacker collaborates with the BND they do run a risk of many of their peers not wanting to collaborate with them anymore.
Another fun fact: There is no effective witness protection program in Germany. You have to have been attacked almost murdered twice (with legal cases leading to prosecution) before you can apply for the witness protection program.
And they're asking themselves why all the witnesses in high profile cases from Europol/Interpol keep disappearing ...
>but AFAIK there generally isn't a warm connection between the CCC and the BND
nor should there be.
Similar to how us American hackers have a huge dislike and distrust of the FBI.
Your own law enforcement agency will lie to you, manipulate you, raid you, extort you, and imprison you over bullshit.
Sadly, there is a rift now since quite a few hackers are left leaning and therefore are by definition activists.
80th, 90th were the last time were hacking was a means to an end. C64 and Amiga scene had skindheads showing up at copy parties but no one cared really.
Some were a bit unsure but the moment they talked about their craft there was no divide but hacker spirit.
In recent years this would be unimaginable. And guess what? Talking to each other made the skins disappear.
It was more of a niche expression without doing harm. Popper, Goths, Ted’s, Rockers - in comparison to today there was more unity than today.
Hooligans were the same. Many local groups that fought each other due to political stances befriended each other later because it was more of a ritual than ideology.
It is a bit sad because politics doesn’t belong to hacking, and never did.
Hacking is Boolean only in the sense of it either works or it doesn’t. Or does a computer care about left or right?
And BtW that’s why I find local attempts in Europe for “Go EU” pathetic. It is about ideology, not improvement.
Maybe the special agents watched the talk in their free time
It also has something to do with the so called "Hackerparagraph" [1] under which whitehat hacking is basically impossible in Germany. Even writing a program that could potentially be used for hacking is a crime. If you followed the law word for word the authors of e.g. curl could be charged under this law.
1: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbereiten_des_Aussp%C3%A4hen... [de]