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tptaceklast Monday at 11:39 PM1 replyview on HN

What's the mainstream messenger you're considering that doesn't maintain serverside contact lists?


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codethiefyesterday at 1:08 AM

I never said I was considering any.[0] I'm strictly interested in what Signal is doing to keep (or even improve) its security guarantees.

On that note, Signal wouldn't even depend on Intel SGX for security nearly as much if Signal PINs weren't user-chosen but instead auto-generated with enough entropy. Yes, contact discovery through phone numbers would still be challenging, but secure value recovery[1] just requires a key with enough entropy.

[0]: For the record, Threema doesn't store your contact list server-side, unless you explicitly opt in. Similarly, now that Signal supports usernames, my understanding is that one could use the app without uploading one's contact list in plaintext.

[1]: https://signal.org/blog/secure-value-recovery/