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bhaktatejas922today at 6:58 AM1 replyview on HN

do you think the industry is overfixated on startup times? what are better metrics people building with sandboxes should pay attention to


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benswerdtoday at 7:06 AM

So first I don't, I think startup times are fundamentally really important. 5s is different than 1s is different than 500ms is different than 200ms and users notice.

I don't think people run real world benchmarks on what that coldstart really means though, like time to first response from a NextJS is a very important benchmark for Freestyle and we've spent a lot of time on it. While Daytona sandboxes boot faster than Freestyle ones our first response is an order of magnitude ahead of theirs.

I think another important one is concurrency: In worst case scenarios how many VMs can you get from a provider in a 5 second period is important.

I also think not enough time is spent on "Does it actually work on this VM", stuff like postgres, redis, ntftables, complex linux binaries that are hard to run need to work on these sandboxes because AI is going to need them and I don't think there has really been a feature-bench system yet.

Networking/snapshotting/persistence characteristics all also need to come into this.

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