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bloppeyesterday at 5:38 PM5 repliesview on HN

I've often wondered what would happen if a president explicitly offers to pardon anybody who murders members of Congress. Would they settle on reigning in the pardon power with an amendment?

We're sort of already there. A lot of the Jan 6 rioters were openly trying to murder congressmen. The fact they weren't successful isn't super reassuring.


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9devyesterday at 7:51 PM

Nothing would happen, because SCOTUS decided to grant the president immunity for any crime committed in their official function, which would be the case here. It would literally be possible for the president to order congress killed, offer an automatic pardon to anyone carrying out this order, and establish a monarchy.

This single ruling will haunt the United States for the rest of its existence.

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pfannkuchenyesterday at 10:41 PM

> were openly trying to murder congressmen

Is there evidence of this?

This is one of those things where I’d love to get on board with the popular view but I haven’t found evidence that anything beyond a sit in was intended and the arguments seem to be floating in air if you follow them down to their root. But I haven’t done that much research so I’d appreciate if you could share what makes you think this, thanks!

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aexer0eyesterday at 5:57 PM

Pardons only stop the federal government from prosecuting someone, the states would still go after those individuals

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didgetmasteryesterday at 6:10 PM

Like most political arguments, if you listen carefully; those who advocate for or against pardons, only want them to go one way.

A pardon is only a protection against a 'vengeful administration' if that administration is not your party.

Pardons are only a miscarriage of justice if those pardoned don't share your ideology.

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jibalyesterday at 8:55 PM

Congress can propose amendments but it takes 3/4 of the states to ratify them.