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runakoyesterday at 3:49 PM10 repliesview on HN

Pushback against the outliers of small + blessed with hydro and geothermal is overshadowing real wins:

- California: 83% renewable, dominated by solar

- Spain: 73%, dominated by solar & wind

- Portugal: 90%, dominated by wind & solar

- The Netherlands: 86%, dominated by solar & wind

- Great Britain: 71%, dominated by wind & solar

There's real momentum happening.


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onlyrealcuzzoyesterday at 4:51 PM

> California: 83% renewable, dominated by solar

California's grid is pretty decently balanced. Solar isn't even close to 50% - so saying that it "dominates" is pretty misleading.

It's like ~30% solar, ~12% hydro, ~10% wind, ~10% nuclear, all other renewables ~8% (~70% renewable, including nuclear) -> ~30% fossil fuels.

Are you maybe only counting domestic production and not total consumption? Or are you looking at the best time of the year and not the full year?

Or am I looking at sources that are >1 year out of date and in one year they've jumped from ~70% renewable to ~83%?

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offmycloudyesterday at 6:55 PM

California is not anywhere near 83% renewable for total electricity generation. [1] Are you just adding up nameplace capacities without capacity factors?

1. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=66704

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rstuart4133today at 1:21 AM

There is pushback here against the figures you are quoting.

Here is something real. South Australia electricity production averaged 75% from renewables last year. Wikipedia (for 2023) put it at 70%: "70 per cent of South Australia's electricity is generated from renewable sources. This is projected to be 85 per cent by 2026, with a target of 100 per cent by 2027." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_South_Australia They averaged 75% in 2025.

South Australia has no hydro to speak of. They have a some local gas, but no local coal. They do have good wind and solar resources. To me it looks like the transition was driven largely by immediate pragmatism concerns, as renewables are so much cheaper than gas. The politicians make a lot of noise about it of course, but I suspect if they had a local cheap source of coal the outcome would have been different.

Their electricity prices are high by Australian standards - but they have to pay for the gas they import to cover the missing 25%, and gas is by far the most expensive form of generation in Australia. And they are paying for all the new equipment this transition requires.

dalyonsyesterday at 5:50 PM

California is a huge success story at a massive scale. Looking at Casio right now it’s 92% clean energy. For a state of 39 million people! And batteries keep getting deployed faster and faster

2022 - 48% gas power on grid

2025 - 25% gas power on grid

What insane progress.

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bopjesvlayesterday at 5:16 PM

> The Netherlands: 86%, dominated by solar & wind

The Dutch bureau of statistics reports 50%, of which a plurality (one third) is biomass. The Netherlands is also famously gas-dependent. Natural gas isn’t converted to electricity for heating and many industrial applications. Can’t quickly find stats on production here, but renewables are only 17% of total energy usage. Renewables without biomass are ~12% of total energy usage.

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NoLinkToMeyesterday at 8:36 PM

Are you just drawing from today's figures? Or annual figures?

I just checked for NL and in the past 12 months it's 50/50 for electricity (fossil/renewable), with about 10% of the renewables being biomass which isn't particularly renewable.

For NL for example we import wood pellets from North America and then burn them. Yeah, not great. Essentially it's releasing emissions by burning 30-40 years of American forests, which might be replanted, and will have soaked up the Co2 around 2065. Therefore it gets to count those emissions as zero (renewable), despite having a full effect on climate change in the next half century which is critical. Not to mention there's a 15% roundtrip loss from logging, shipping etc.

Agree there's real momentum but these are misleading figures.

jacomoRodriguezyesterday at 4:41 PM

Where can I look up this numbers? (Just curious)

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dyauspitrtoday at 2:45 AM

You’re a bit off on the California numbers. It’s off my about 10%. Either ways, what a state. It’s basically a country on its own.

vpribishyesterday at 4:43 PM

good hilights! but - and i mean this kindly - you are starting to talk like an AI: "overshadowing real wins" "There's real momentum happening".

KevinMSyesterday at 4:56 PM

Isn't that the list of high energy prices and blackouts?

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