> This creates a recurring pattern on r/LocalLLaMA: new model launches, people try it through Ollama, it’s broken or slow or has botched chat templates, and the model gets blamed instead of the runtime.

Seems like maybe, at least some of the time, you’re being underwhelmed my ollama not the model.

The better performance point alone seems worth switching away

`wget https://huggingface.co/[USER]/[REPO]/resolve/main/[FILE_NAME...`

`rm [FILE_NAME]`

With Ollama, the initial one-time setup is a little easier, and the CLI is useful, but is it worth dysfunctional templates, worse performance, and the other issues? Not to me.

Jinja templates are very common, and Jinja is not always losslessly convertible to the Go template syntax expected by Ollama. This means that some models simply cannot work correctly with Ollama. Sometimes the effects of this incompatibility are subtle and unpredictable.

you can pull directly from huggingface with llama.cpp, and it also has a decent web chat included

You have no idea what you are downloading with such a pull. At least LMstudio gives you access to all the different versions of the same model.