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brepppyesterday at 5:12 PM1 replyview on HN

Let's see, during Stalin's Rule 18 million people went through forced labor camps and roughly 10% died, around 1.8 million

Let's add around 5 million for man made famine, and probably a 2 million for arbitrary executions and deportations, while many estimate the full death count as between 15-20 million

As far I can understand the top range of estimates for CECOT, which is a non American facility, are that 500 died, of around imprisoned 20,000 inmates. So the scale is a bit... different

I think the issue here is that contrary to popular belief, not every wrong thing is the same


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maptyesterday at 9:51 PM

Death rates are particularly hard to compare because part of the idea of El Salvador's system is that people are expected to die there - there is no release policy - yet most of them are young healthy men recently detained.

If we just look at incarceration rates:

CECOT is one facility, but around 2% of El Salvador's population has been imprisoned by Bukele's operation.

In 1950 the USSR had a population of around 180 million, and the gulag system was at its height with a population of 2.5 million, very similar.

The US prison system has been around 1% from the peak of the War On Drugs until recent fads in liberalized sentencing, currently holding at 0.7%, one of the highest in the world if you exclude ethnic purges like Xinjiang or Gaza.