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mentalgearyesterday at 2:32 PM10 repliesview on HN

I was looking forward to finally be able to easily switch out (i)Phone batteries again - after 20 years - but turns out the lobbyists managed to get a loophole in the law - exempting Apple & Co from making their phones more repairable / longer live-able.

> If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt


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nonethewiseryesterday at 3:30 PM

Seems entirely reasonable. Embedded batteries have a lot of advantages. Cheaper, higher battery capacity, water proof, smaller, stronger. I think this will largely just make the mid to low tier android market in the EU shittier.

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thegingeryesterday at 3:51 PM

What proportion of devices would need to meet this 80% rule? 50%? 90%? 99%? Could make a huge difference

t0mas88yesterday at 3:28 PM

My iPhone 14 is 1081 days old, charged every night, battery capacity is reported as 81%. So in Apple's own measurements this is possible.

I guess there is some built in spare capacity, but that may still qualify for the exemption?

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throw0101dyesterday at 3:36 PM

> If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt

Is there a definition for a cycle? 80->85%? 33->72? 22-83? 87->96? Would each of these be a "cycle"?

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MSFT_Edgingyesterday at 3:56 PM

I recently did a battery replacement on an iphone mini 13 with some success and some failure. I absolutely killed the screen without cracking it. A little too much pulling with the ifixit reverse clamp.

Had i gone a little slower, it would have been a very easy repair.

0x1ceb00datoday at 4:46 AM

It's like saying you were looking forward to shooting and killing an invader but unfortunately no one invaded your house and that made you sad.

AshamedCaptainyesterday at 2:48 PM

Yes, this is the most non-story I have ever seen on this topic. I do not know of any manufacturer who does not claim this, verifiable or otherwise; and even if they can't claim it, all they have to do is one minor purely-software capacity adjustment, which they will gladly do before they will even consider offering removable batteries.

What a disappointment.

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adolphyesterday at 3:57 PM

> the lobbyists managed to get a loophole in the law - exempting Apple & Co

But Apple batteries are already user replaceable? I've replaced my own and batteries come with kits that have all the tools and disposable glue strips and seals.

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cruffle_duffleyesterday at 4:23 PM

“ If a battery can do 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity it is exempt”

I mean isn’t that an okay exemption? If the intent is to drive devices to be less disposable and more sustainable… if it incentivizes all mobile phone manufacturers to improve battery longevity, I’d say that’s a win.

I wouldn’t even call it a loophole. The entire purpose of the legislation could be that clause

kjkjadksjyesterday at 3:09 PM

No shot at all apple batteries can last 1000 cycles and remain above 80% capacity. Probably can’t even do 300 in my experience. Sounds like an easy lawsuit.

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