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culiyesterday at 4:30 PM4 repliesview on HN

That's fair but those days seem so long gone now.

Also the Chinese models aren't following a typical American SaaS playbook which relies on free/cheap proprietary software for early growth. They are not just publishing their weights but also their code and often even publishing papers in Open Access journals to explicitly highlight what methods and advancements were made to accomplish their results


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jfostertoday at 4:02 AM

> those days seem so long gone now.

Well, Musk v OpenAI kicks off in one week from now with the objective of forcing them back to their roots. A jury will be deciding whether a nonprofit accepting $50m - $100m of donations and then discarding their mission for an IPO is OK or not. Should be interesting.

zozbot234yesterday at 4:35 PM

The Nvidia Nemotron models are recent, and of course the Gemma 4 series from Google.

tasukiyesterday at 7:28 PM

Any idea why they do that?

taneqyesterday at 5:07 PM

gasp Science!