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SahAssartoday at 2:15 AM1 replyview on HN

I'm not sure I understand, but haven't you just moved the problem to the out of band layer? And is that layer not secured using the same normal (somewhat) long-lived TLS as most sites?

I don't think I understand the threat model you are using here?


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bob1029today at 1:46 PM

Think of the out of band layer as two human executives exchanging URLs and GUIDs in person. You still need a secure transport, but in this model the thing that is being secured on the wire expires within 15 minutes. The only way to break the model is to defeat a transport or protocol key and only before rotation, revocation and expiration can catch up each time.