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Razengantoday at 11:18 AM6 repliesview on HN

> their relationship to power

The word "power" is so ironic in human cultures:

It's the people with the guns (and muscles) that have the literal physical power. They could shoot the aristocrats dead if they wanted to.

The aristocrats' "power" is make-believe like the rest of their papers and numbers: The various psychological barriers which dissuade the gun-bearers from ever reaching the "want to" part.


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rcxdudetoday at 11:40 AM

Which is why power is much more complex than brute force. Sheer physical or military power is not the be-all and end-all, just a facet of the total picture (and in fact, social creatures that humans are, even just adversarial aspects of power are a subset of power).

kergonathtoday at 11:48 AM

> It's the people with the guns (and muscles) that have the literal physical power. They could shoot the aristocrats dead if they wanted to.

What matters is not raw power, it’s balance. The power of one guy with guns is kept in check by the power of other guys with guns who stand to benefit from the status quo. The aristocracy’s game is to play with this balance to make sure that no other rival force emerges. They do not need any actual physical power themselves to play it.

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IsTomtoday at 11:28 AM

Historically aristocracy was the military class. Nowadays in authoritarian societies it looks like it's mostly matter of time before military takes the lead.

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vlan0today at 12:35 PM

Exactly this. They live in houses with glass windows. We could take this world any time we choose.

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jjk166today at 11:58 AM

People with guns don't stand much of a chance against people with armies. Sure armies can turn on an individual, but that just means that particular individual has lost power, and that power has been transferred to whatever new individual commands the loyalty of the many. It's not imaginary, it's emergent.

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bandofthehawktoday at 2:19 PM

Power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick. A shadow on the wall. And a very small man can cast a very large shadow.