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zymhanyesterday at 11:43 PM5 repliesview on HN

To be honest, I think "vendor financing" is still a very risky premise.

Vendors may be positioned to know how a customer is doing, but they're also incentivized to overestimate how well a customer is going to perform.

GE Capital (edit: and GMCA) is a great example of how seemingly reasonable vendor financing can cause the lender serious problems.


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throwaway2037today at 7:18 AM

    > To be honest, I think "vendor financing" is still a very risky premise.
Are you aware that all heavy industry in all highly developed nations make extensive use of vendor financing to sell their products? Siemens is a perfect example of a well-run, stable, industrial giant. They offer vendor financing for large purchases. Same for the "heavies" (Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, IHI, Hyundai, Doosan, Hanjin) in Japan and Korea.

If anyone is interested to learn about the damage that the financialisation of General Electric (USA) brought upon itself, you can ask ChatGPT to tell you the story. It is too long to repeat here.

Here is a sample prompt that I used to remind myself:

    > I am interested in the history of General Electric and the trouble that their financing units brought in the early to mid 2000s. Can you tell me more?
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skybrianyesterday at 11:58 PM

The risks are different, but there's no getting around that the value of any investment is based on future cash flows and that's speculating about the future.

To the extent that Google and Anthropic are competing for AI business, Google is somewhat hedged against Anthropic winning market share. They still get data center revenue and they own equity, so that’s a consolation prize.

On the other hand, it’s increasing Google’s investment in AI, in general.

Spooky23today at 3:46 AM

GE Capital was a different creature, riding the line of fraud in some ways. They misapplied accounting rules and had to write down or capitalize over $20B for long term care insurance.

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cowsandmilktoday at 1:01 AM

GE Capital was not just vendor financing and its serious problems were not due to vendor financing. I don’t think it is a great example in any way.

everlytoday at 6:31 AM

$40 billion is about a quarter’s worth of profits for Google. They make that much every 3 months, what’s the risk

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