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janice1999yesterday at 8:47 PM11 repliesview on HN

Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.


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bri3dyesterday at 8:54 PM

I believe the "advanced" LKAS on Rivian only works on highways and relies on an "up to date" geofencing database, so that's the first-order technical reason. And I'm sure they don't exactly prioritize fixing or altering that behavior for the other reason.

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tencentshillyesterday at 8:52 PM

I understand how it could disable some features. Hyundai has a GPS-assisted database of highways that are approved for enhanced driver assist (HDA2).

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yasontoday at 6:53 AM

Lane keeping is often hard to disable and you have to do it each and every drive, so getting that off permanently and putting the car offline then that is an unexpected bonus. Probably the same also applies for the speed limit beeper that partially relies on GPS maps. Taping over the front camera also works.

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ezfeyesterday at 10:18 PM

Toyota advanced LKA (called Traffic Jam Assist) requires mapping subscription to be active as well

ErroneousBoshtoday at 8:31 AM

> Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance

Good. Lane Keeping Assist should be illegal.

ReptileManyesterday at 9:57 PM

So you disable both internet and the most annoying feature after touchscreens and start stop. Double win.

encomyesterday at 11:09 PM

>disables lane keeping assistance

That is a desirable outcome.

I have driven about half a dozen vehicles with this feature, and it has been annoying 100% of the time, and never helpful at all. In the company van I drive (Citroën Berlingo) I have to disable it every time I start the car. The lane keeping gets confused all the time by snow or dirt or when merging onto the motorway, or fucking background radiation - I dunno. It always shocks me when it pulls on the steering wheel. This crap should be forbidden. In the same car I also have to disable the start-stop system so as not to destroy the engine. Aside from that it's a nice enough van for a diesel, but I've been ruined by electrics.

In my own car (Nissan Leaf 2021), it stays disabled. But then it shows me a lawyer screen on every start asking me to consent to handing over my first born son etc.

Imagine if proper EV's had been invented in 2005 - we would have had some awesome cars.

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deadbabeyesterday at 9:26 PM

If you need lane keeping assistance you should just accept you need internet connectivity at all times like wtf cars didn’t always have that just drive straight.

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nancyminusoneyesterday at 8:59 PM

Lane keeping assistance is optional on any vehicle. I don't believe there is any current production in which you can't opt out of lane keeping assistance?

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Steeeveyesterday at 10:14 PM

You have a lot of trouble driving your car inside the lanes?

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happyopossumyesterday at 8:50 PM

They need to keep lane availability up to date - lanes get closed for repair or realignment sometimes and it’d suck to rear-end an 18 ton grader because you don’t have current DOT info…

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