alt Hacker NewsGotta love that ivory tower smarmy attitude.
>And it requires so much "ground" to properly "filter", hence the mounds.
There is no point in building up if the ground is sufficient.
MN has basically decided they're not gonna bother considering what that means and just make everyone do mounds at great expense.
>So we both agree there's a high water table, and high water tables can give challenges for properly operating a septic system without poisoning your neighbor's water and lands
That's tangential. Go tee up your dishonest strawman somewhere else.
>Because your runoff poisons the ground of the people around you. I'm sure they'd be singing a far different tune if their neighbors were dumping cancer causing chemicals on the ground right against their property line. Oh but this is their right to dump their wastes...
If people are dumping cancer causing chemicals on the ground that's a separate problem than organic waste.
Forcing everyone to manage runoff (which is a seperate issue from septics) like it's a problem by default when 99% of it is clean (seriously, how dirty is the average concrete sidewalk or shed roof or whatever other impermeable surface) wastes money.
Resources are not infinite. If you actually gave a shit about the environment you'd understand that there's other more effective stuff that money could be spent on.
>Probably true, and should probably be connected to proper sewer systems
At. What. Cost.
> to expand and have more density instead of just poisoning their neighbors.
Once again you don't get how it works. The whole point of a septic is that it's fine as long as you don't sink your well pipe through the leech field.
I'm not gonna bother picking your comment apart any further. It's a waste of my time.
I hope someday you buy property and seek to further develop it so that you may reap what you have sown in ignorance.
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> MN has basically decided they're not gonna bother considering what that means and just make everyone do mounds at great expense.
This isn't even a factual statement.
> The majority of SSTS permitted in 2024 were Type I systems; approximately 43% were mound systems.
https://www.pca.state.mn.us/sites/default/files/wq-wwists1-6...
> Forcing everyone to manage runoff...when 99% of it is clean
Speaking of the drainage topic, its usually less about if its clean or not, it probably is generally "clean". Its about managing the proper flow and holding to make up for the new impermeable structures in place. Which I agree, should also be related to overarching plans of the city/county/state about where that water should go. It shouldn't just be a patchwork of little independent designs, but that's a part of that whole approval process. But just building more impermeable structures and expecting everyone else to deal with the issues they cause is quite a selfish take.
> MN has basically decided they're not gonna bother considering what that means and just make everyone do mounds at great expense.
Wrong. We just had a septic tank installed at a property in Crow Wing County.
Here are the MPCA rules for septic tanks: https://www.pca.state.mn.us/business-with-us/registered-sewa...
And lastly, I recommend not posting authoritatively about things you do not understand or grasp, thanks. Your posts about permitting and construction in Minnesota are full of errors.
Stormwater runoff is poisonous and stormwater systems are designed to handle a certain amount of water. When you pave a massive dirt lot that soaks up rainwater, that water has to go somewhere. You don’t understand what you’re talking about.
> There is no point in building up if the ground is sufficient.
Sure sounds like it isn't, at least according to the county.
> we both agree there's a high water table
> That's tangential
Its fundamental to the decision of septic design, not tangential. Its not a dishonest strawman to bring up the core, fundamental concept at issue here.
> dumping cancer causing chemicals on the ground that's a separate problem than organic waste
Yeah that's right, my waste is fine, their waste is a problem. Who cares if my neighbors have to drink my shit?
> you don't get how it works.
I sure do.
> The whole point of a septic is that it's fine as long as you don't sink your well pipe through the leech field.
If the ground water is too high, you'll have more problems. Like, say, potentially some random property in the land of 10,000 lakes.
> I hope someday you buy property and seek to further develop it
I already have, and I haven't purposefully flooded out or poisoned my neighbors to do it.
> I'm not gonna bother picking your comment apart any further.
I'd potentially have a different opinion if I actually had some real facts about the property other than just some random property in a place known to have a high water table having an issue getting septic permitted. You even said yourself its got a high water table at the property! It honestly doesn't seem surprising to me to see a place like that having an issue with septic systems. But just a "trust me bro gubmit bad" attitude doesn't really change my opinion.
Cool beans buddy. Have a good night.
> Gotta love that ivory tower smarmy attitude.
When did, "I don't want people poisoning my water," become ivory tower smarmy attitude?