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AndrewKemendoyesterday at 4:33 PM3 repliesview on HN

I asked an Uber driver, formerly a taxi driver in LA, how he felt about the fact that his driving data was being used to build his replacement.

He said he “didn’t care and besides what was he going to do about it anyway, it’s going to happen no matter what”

I asked if he had ever heard of collective bargaining or knew about unions and he said no.

I think we’re only about another generation before the only purpose for human labor is to train and check the outputs of a machine.


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jcgrilloyesterday at 4:38 PM

I'm not too worried about it. Yeah, it's bad that people don't understand how labor organizing works. It's bad they're not willing to stand up to shitty employers and take a little risk to make life better. But in this particular case the fear is totally illusory. It's just another silicon valley conman selling some warped "dream" that probably won't actually materialize[1]. "Autonomous Vehicles" are nowhere near production ready, and they're not going to be any time soon. Wake me up when a serious truck or car manufacturer starts rolling them out en masse, then I might start to get worried about it. Until then, it's just about the same category as flying cars--sure, we have these hexacopter contraptions which can (barely) lift a single person for 20min. Not interesting.

[1] Here's how you know:

  “Our goal is not to make money out of this data,” Naga said. “We want to democratize it.”
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kjkjadksjyesterday at 4:40 PM

People don’t understand the slow motion horror movie that this is becoming. Labor demand begets population growth for all of human history. Demand conditions set the stage for population growth. Labor surplus set the stage for population declines. Again, this has been true for all of human history.

So what are we walking into? Not 8-11 billion happy cows. A crisis. People deciding not to reproduce. The human population declining. The irony as we achieve a technical pinnacle while justifying our own extinction by choice. The great filter as it turns out is actually capitalism, a race to business efficiency against all else including the incentives of your very own species. This is the mind virus.

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chiiyesterday at 4:38 PM

> I asked if he had ever heard of collective bargaining or knew about unions and he said no.

collective bargaining or unions do not prevent technological progress, but merely retard it in the hopes that their members can benefit at the cost of progress for everyone else. Look at dock workers and how they tried to prevent automation with unions.

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