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miyojitoday at 12:33 PM1 replyview on HN

> I think it's also unfair to say their success is solely due to stealing data.

Their models would be completely useless if they didn't train on stolen data, so no, it's not unfair at all.


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2ndorderthoughttoday at 1:31 PM

Name one company selling AI models who didn't steal their data or aquire it through dubious or unethical means?

If anything it's a Robinhood story.

Regardless I doubt they would be useless at all. Alibaba has access to tons of data and they make qwen. Qwen models are insane for their size.

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