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throwup238yesterday at 3:30 PM8 repliesview on HN

It’s fun to read everyone's preconceptions about Burning Man. Its ten principles are published [1] and include stuff like “radical inclusion” and “civic responsibility” and “gifting” (the latter of which is taken very literally, there is almost no currency use on the playa and everything is gifted except ice and coffee at center camp).

Those principles tend to attract the kind of people associated with counterculture and anarchists, but it’s hardly representative, especially when you include the family zone and all the specialized camps.

[1] https://burningman.org/about-us/10-principles/


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bsimpsonyesterday at 6:02 PM

A friend introduced my to CouchSurfing in ~2009.

The idea that a stranger would effectively be a free Airbnb host (back when Airbnb actually had hosts) was baffling. Turns out:

1. Travel is expensive in time and money. Hosting someone gives you a travel-adjacent experience without having to leave home.

2. People who are willing to host strangers tend to be cool/open/interesting/friendly people. Opting-in to CouchSurfing is a good filter for someone you might enjoy spending time with.

Burning Man is similar.

One of the mainstays of Burning Man is the Hug Deli. It's like a lemonade stand, but instead of sugary beverages, they serve affection. You can order hugs ranging from warm + fuzzy to long + uncomfortable, each for 2 compliments to your server. Want an extra pep in your step? Add a kiss or a spanking for an additional compliment.

The staff at the Hug Deli are all volunteers. You just roll up, toss on an apron, and start serving. (The guy who started it isn't particularly affectionate. He's a performer from LA who wanted a way to get strangers to try on characters.)

You would never stand in Golden Gate Park offering kisses to anyone who asked. Burning Man is a container that allows experiences like that to flourish, because opting-in to Burning Man is a good filter for the kind of people you might be willing to try stuff with.

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realoyesterday at 4:40 PM

Don't get me wrong, but on one side you have the gift culture, and on the other side the exception that one of the only things sold the the community in one of the hottest, most arid deserts in the world is ... ice ...

Got a chuckle out of me there.

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niwtsolyesterday at 4:37 PM

FYI - Coffee at center camp was canceled as of 2022

ghostly_syesterday at 7:53 PM

*people associated with counterculture and anarchists who also have thousands of dollars of discretionary income.

some_randomyesterday at 8:24 PM

The people who hate Burning Man don't care about paltry things like the principles it's based on, they simply don't like the people that go for completely unrelated reasons.

smsm42yesterday at 4:47 PM

> Those principles tend to attract the kind of people associated with counterculture and anarchists

And Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Elizabeth Holmes, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, Eric Schmidt... you get the idea.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-ceos-founders-attended-...

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almostdeadguyyesterday at 7:53 PM

I think the counter-intuitive examples of people who attend that you and others in the replies are pointing out are a demonstration of how many contradictions exist in these principals.

I am the type of person who thinks many, many things about the way the world currently exists need to change, but I am incredibly skeptical of the purported mission of the Burning Man Project to "extend the culture" of these principles to the wider world.

ButyTh0yesterday at 5:57 PM

"Civic responsibility" is a ballsy claim from a bunch of first worlders exploiting child sweatshop labor, wasting resources on aura farming.

Burning Man is to the stated principles what Kraft singles is to cheese.

Just more empty American platitudes, advertising, marketing; watch! as rich capitalists role play rural community their capitalism tore apart!

The Party in 1984 is not just metaphor for a government but any group that puts its rhetoric before reality. Just some first world LARPers telling a story about themselves while the output is there for all to see.

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