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Panzerschrekyesterday at 6:19 PM3 repliesview on HN

Good arguments. But for some reason there are still strange people, who prefer calling malloc/free (or new/delete or something similar) manually. Some of them even invent languages with manual-only memory management (like Zig or Odin).


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cv5005yesterday at 6:27 PM

One reason is that c++ still hasn't gotten 'trivial relocatability' right - i.e being able to memcpy/memmove and not have to call constructors/destructors when growing your vector class.

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tialaramexyesterday at 6:49 PM

I'm no fan of Odin especially, but I'd expect that one obvious defence they'd offer is that this code potentially wastes a lot of resources and if you were writing in their language you'd more likely go "Wait, that seems like a bad idea..." and produce better code.

    cat += *p+"+";
Feels very cheap because it was so few keystrokes, but what it's actually doing is:

1. Making a brand new std::string with the same text inside it as `p` but one longer so as to contain an extra plus symbol. Let's call this temporary string `tmp`

2. Paste that whole string on the end of the string named `cat`

3. Destroy `tmp` freeing the associated allocation if there is one

Now, C++ isn't a complete trash fire, the `cat` std::string is† an amortized constant time allocated growable array under the hood. Not to the same extent as Rust's String (which literally is Vec<u8> inside) but morally that's what is going on, so the appends to `cat` aren't a big performance disaster. But we are making a new string, which means potentially allocating, each time around the loop, and that's the exact sort of costly perf leak that a Zig or Odin programmer would notice here.

† All modern C++ std::string implementations use a crap short string optimisation, the most important thing this is doing - which is the big win for C++ is they can store their empty value, a single zero byte, without allocating but they can all store a few bytes of actual text before allocating. This might matter for your input strings if they are fairly short like "Bjarne" "Stroustrup" and "Fool" but it can't do "Disestablishmentarianism".

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eskayesterday at 6:27 PM

No need to insult people just because you don’t understand other strategies for reducing the amount of lifetimes to track and consolidating deallocations by using memory arenas.

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