alt Hacker NewsCould someone explain to me why they don't build these things near oceans? Like nuclear plants that need plenty cooling capacity too
Two loop cycle with heat exchanger to get rid of the heat
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Amusingly I've been part of two critical downtime heating incidents at two different datacenters: one was when Hosting.com's SOMA datacenter got so hot that they were using hoses on the roof to cool it down; and the second one was when Alibaba's Chai Wan datacenter got so hot everything running there went down, including the control plane. So I imagine the proximity to the ocean does not yield any additional advantage in terms of emergency heat sinking. You have x capacity to pump heat out and it doesn't matter if you're next to the sea or in the middle of Nebraska because your entire system needs to be built to be rated for some performance.
Off the top of my head: Ocean levels of salt in a water system are much more expensive to maintain (even the secondary loop).
Coastal land much more expensive. If you go to a remote coastal site, you probably won't have as good access to power.
Coastal sites usually exposed to more severe weather events.
Other fun unpredicatble things eg-Diablo Canyon nuclear facility has had issues with debris and jellyfish migration blocking their saltwater cooling intake.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/diablo-canyon-nuclear-pla...
I had a class in my masters about data centers (HPC Infrastructures). The professor was using some data centers somewhere in the middle of USA, in an area with hot weather as example. He compared that with ideal scenario (weather, power source, etc.).
In one of the slides, there were factors that influence the decision of where to build a data center, and several of the items involved finding a place with enough space and skilled people to work at this data center. He also commented sometimes there is politics involved on choosing the place for a next data center.
Oceans have salt. Saltwater is bad for electronics beyond normal water. You also need a sufficient level of water depth otherwise it'll warm to surface temperature. It also needs to be price-competitive with traditional evaporative cooling.
Toronto is the textbook example of this working. It's on a freshwater lake that is deep relatively close to the shore, and the downtown has expensive real estate blocking traditional methods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Lake_Water_Cooling_System
Lots of proposals to build them near Lake Michigan recently but the residents of Wisconsin only want auto parts stores and paper mills. They've been completely demonized. Cities and counties are passing no data center laws even though it's the perfect place for it.
This is just a guess, but land near oceans is more expensive/populated, and water is comparatively cheap
They are, sometimes. Google built this one in Finland in 2011 at the site of an old paper mill, which was already set up to draw water from the Baltic Sea (which isn't as salty as the Atlantic is, but still not fresh water):
https://datacenters.google/locations/hamina-finland/
> Using a cooling system with seawater from the Bay of Finland and a new offsite heat recovery facility, our Hamina data centre is at the forefront of progressing our sustainability and energy-efficiency efforts.
Humidity and corrosion, it's a trade-off (pick your poison).
So Ashburn VA is a datacenter hub because the very first non-government Internet Exchange Point (IXP) anywhere in the world was there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAE-East). Back in the 1990's something like half of all internet traffic all over the world hit MAE-East. That in turn made AWS put their first region there (us-east-1 preceded eu-west-1 by 2 years and us-west-1 by 3 years). Then because there were lots of people who knew how to build DC's- and lots of vendors who knew how to supply them- the Dulles Corridor became a major hub for lots of companies datacenters. For AWS, because us-east-1 was the first, it's by far the most gnarly and weird- and a lot of control planes for other AWS services end up relying on it. Which is why it goes down more often than other regions, and when it does go down it makes national news, unlike, say, eu-south-2 in Spain.
But NoVA is basically the same sort of economic cluster that Paul Krugman won his Nobel Prize in Economics for studying, just for datacenters, not factories.