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tylerchildsyesterday at 10:49 PM13 repliesview on HN

Put simply:

I’ve talked to Apple engineers.

Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is.

Everyone made fun of them for protecting them.

This is exactly the opposite of that, where Mark is throwing you and your children under the bus again because he’s unoriginal and doesn’t know how to make money any other way than by getting all up in your business, statistically.


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al_borlandyesterday at 11:06 PM

I usually defend Siri, because I’m perfectly fine trading a little functionality for security. I prefer it that way.

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yalokyesterday at 11:53 PM

building new features on top of E2EE is genuinely hard, and I've seen many companies struggle to keep innovating while staying strictly E2EE.

Having seen multiple leading messaging/VoIP stacks from inside, the amount of engineering spent to work around various limitations of E2EE in real prod scenarios is insane, and even for simple every-day-use features metrics don't compare to the metrics of the same feature running without E2EE.

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crazygringotoday at 4:30 AM

> Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is.

That makes zero sense.

The problem with Siri is... Siri. The interface itself.

Zero of my complaints around Siri have to do with it not being able to access my private data.

They're entirely about it not understanding my request in the first place or lacking a basic capability.

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wolvoleotoday at 1:52 AM

I don't buy that. They could have done more with it despite the constraints. There's been a big lack of interest from Apple for a long time. Just like every few years they introduce a completely new Mac Pro with all the fanfare and then completely lose interest and let it wither and die for 5 years.

yangm97today at 6:25 AM

Siri fell behind because the bean counters at Cupertino didn’t want to spend on it, this is well documented and has nothing to do with privacy.

FireBeyondtoday at 2:49 AM

> Siri fell behind due to how good Apple’s privacy is.

Garbage. That's some good spin, though. Siri is a turd in a punch bowl for many reasons that have nothing to do with privacy.

"Siri, do X thing" "Done"

"Siri, do [extremely similar to X] thing" "I don't know what you mean"

Siri is connected to my Apple HomeKit. "Siri, turn off my Kitchen Lights" "I don't know what lights you mean."

Siri feels like it never evolved past a proof of concept.

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alex1138yesterday at 11:17 PM

Do you know what Zuckerberg said in an interview? I think it was to Lex Fridman but I could be wrong

"Apple hasn't come up with anything new in 20 years"

Very likely in response to Apple's granularity. Poor Zuck can't steal people's credentials

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dyauspitryesterday at 11:09 PM

Privacy is the reason I’m still on team Apple.

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nothinkjustaiyesterday at 10:51 PM

Apple feels like the only big tech company that remotely cares about its users. Thank god they make the best computer and OS too.

I’m sure this will not be a popular take on HN however.

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Handy-Manyesterday at 10:52 PM

They were kinda forced to in the name of "think of the children". The New Mexico case that's been going on at the moment.

cyanydeezyesterday at 10:51 PM

thats a generous view. The dystopian fascist view is he's aligning with the surveillance state's interests and instagram is seen as a breeding ground for anti-american-american activities.

wotsdattoday at 12:03 AM

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zer0zzzyesterday at 11:52 PM

People are bozos for wanting more from a glorified egg timer. I like Siri myself.