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miki123211yesterday at 6:37 PM5 repliesview on HN

IA needs to do what Usenet has done. Have a bunch of mission-aligned but unrelated orgs (under different ownership and distributed around the world) that peer with each other, distribute all the content obtained by any of the orgs to each other, but that have no technical channel nor capability to distribute DMCA complaints and takedown requests.

This is (AFAIK) basically how Usenet piracy works. You send your warez to one provider, and that provider instantly replicates them to all the providers they peer with, recursively, until they eventually reach the entire network. When any of those providers get a DMCA complaint, they remove the offending files (as they're required to do by law), but they don't inform other providers that they've received a DMCA notice, so those providers keep serving those files. This makes it much harder to remove data from the network than it is to add it.


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y3ahd0gyesterday at 7:07 PM

So they should use bit torrent.

IMO personal security would only be improved if we diversified away from "the open web".

"Flood the field" with protocols and pre-shared key networks where we have to generate keys together in meat space, make it too expensive to operate the panopticon.

Everyone putting their eggs in the open web basket, gathering in that public commons means all it takes is one bomb on us all, so to speak.

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pocksuppettoday at 8:42 AM

There are only 3-4 providers because the system is spammed with hundreds of terabytes of new data per day by actors seeking to destroy it. They can't moderate the spam because the pirated data is all encrypted so indistinguishable from random data, and because moderation would destroy their pretense of not knowing what content is being posted.

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toprankstoday at 9:43 AM

Usenet is a distributed policy from the ground up.

It’s centralised in the way you describe now that it’s only used for large files / piracy, but it used to me much more diverse.

cbdevidalyesterday at 11:41 PM

I like it in theory but the IA hosts over 175PB of data. Wonder how many other producers could replicate that data.

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