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iamnothereyesterday at 7:35 PM1 replyview on HN

You said it better than I would have. GP has a misunderstanding of libertarianism and perhaps of the concept of liberty.

Libertarians (small-l libertarians, colloquially) don’t break norms “just because”, they do it only in specific circumstances based on a calculus. Everyone’s calculus is different, but the usual reasoning would focus on possible infringement of others’ rights when breaking the norm and the seeming validity/grounding of the norm. And perhaps the risk tolerance of the individual and likely consequences.

GP seems to be taking about anarchists (and a particular species of anarchist at that). There is indeed some overlap but libertarians are not allergic to norms. “Rights” themselves are a norm.


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bluegattyyesterday at 11:13 PM

"don’t break norms “just because”, they do it only in specific circumstances based on a calculus."

No - I didn't suggest 'just because', and Libertarians reject norms not 'on a specific basis' - they reject the nature of the limiting impetus on their expression.

Norms are by by default bad and can only be justified in a narrow sense.

Critically, there is no moral impetus but the expression of one self. There is no 'greater good', 'community good', or even 'greater morality' beyond selfish desire.

Rules and norms are only seen through that lens.

Yes - 'rights' can be viewed as norms under most libertarian thought but only to the extent it supposedly protects individual will.

These ideas are useful tool, especially when concerned with materially oppressive systems (such as those Ayn Rand lived through in Soviet Union) but morally and practically bereft or at least lacking outside of more authoritarian systems.

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