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Havocyesterday at 10:11 PM7 repliesview on HN

>removing up to three layers of management in some functions so leaders are closer to the work.

I wish them the best of luck with that plan. Middle management is where the institutional knowledge sits on how to actually get shit done despite challenges & broken processes/systems.

It's an even worse plan than eliminating juniors.


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bob001yesterday at 10:18 PM

Middle management is also why there’s so many broken processes and challenges in the first place.

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PunchyHamsteryesterday at 10:43 PM

Not with 8 layers of it. Institutional knowledge lies between managers and engineers and maybe one layer above that, not further

notTooFarGoneyesterday at 10:18 PM

Middle managment is also where most of your negative feedback is lost. I think moving fast in general needs tighter feedback loops and this is simply not possible in large organizations.

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lpribisyesterday at 10:18 PM

> Middle management is where the institutional knowledge sits on how to actually get shit done despite challenges & broken processes/systems.

Really? In my experience it's the rank-and-file employees who have this knowledge of how to get on with it without ceremony and politics. And the broken processes and politics are created BY the middle managers.

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33MHz-i486yesterday at 11:44 PM

middle management is hired to delegate but persists mostly grow itself and its influence

retinarosyesterday at 10:18 PM

Not really. Middle management is there to be in meetings all day long with nothing produced but identifying low performers.

u_fucking_dorkyesterday at 10:41 PM

GitHub was famously flat and far more successful than them.