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1vuio0pswjnm7yesterday at 7:01 PM3 repliesview on HN

"RIP Jon."

In the 90s when learning about the internet I remember reading stuff written by "Jon Postel", a univeristy employee in California

Today, a curious student trying to learn about the internet would probably end up reading stuff written by "Big Tech" and/or academics who have financial relationships with these or other so-called "tech" companies

I remember Postel and one other person, perhaps at SRI, I forget her name, had a plan for these sort of hierarchical geographical domainnames. I recall it was _not_ commercial in nature. It "seemed like" Postel saw the internet, including DNS, as a public service. Needless to say, any such non-commercial vision was not realised

ICANN DNS became a money grab

If Postel had survived to today, would he have sold out like so many of his peers

I like to pretend he would not but I have no idea


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1vuio0pswjnm7today at 4:41 AM

I believe the document I'm thinking of may have been RFC 1480

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1480.txt

If so, the other person was Ann W Cooper

AFAIK Cooper was never at SRI, but Postel was at one time

Putting aside the inaccurate memory, the point I wish to make as an ordinary computer user reading about the internet is that Postel wrote about the internet as a _public resource_. Check out the tone of this random Postel RFC, for example

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1591.txt

Postel received a PhD in Computer Science in 1974 from UCLA and, apparently, he was a _two-finger typist_ who preferred handwritten slides over PowerPoint and used monochrome logos instead of color (I find this interesting; I'm not suggesting anyone else would)

Joyce K Reynolds, who co-authored some of the most important RFCs with Postel on protocols, was a social sciences major (another factoid I find interesting)

caryesterday at 8:41 PM

The hierarchical geographical domains you are remembering must have been the 2000 '.geo' Top Level Domain (TLD) proposal from SRI. It didn't work out, but I remember thinking at the time that it was a cool idea.

It would have provided geographical information based on a domain encoded grid, not for human but machine consumption (e.g. acme.2e5n.10e30n.geo).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.geo

In a similar vein there is the 'e164.arpa' domain for mapping telephone numbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_number_mapping

donmcronaldyesterday at 7:08 PM

> ICANN DNS became a money grab

It’s too bad more people don’t understand how the domain industry is structured under ICANN. IMO, the registries are ICANN’s customers, the registrants are part of the product being sold, and the registrars are a liability shield.

One day there will be a grab for .com.

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