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patttyesterday at 8:13 PM1 replyview on HN

Do we have any solid evidence these models can outperform Western models in terms of quality? Or is it more: because they are forbidden, they can't get enough training data, visibility etc. to compete?


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gpt5yesterday at 9:33 PM

Scroll down to the leaderboard - https://arcprize.org/leaderboard

Spoiler alert - they are all towards the bottom of the leaderboard. People come up with a wide variety of excuses for why they are not used despite being offered for significantly lower cost, but the answer is simply because they don't perform well enough for now.

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