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Animatstoday at 7:05 AM2 repliesview on HN

"AI safety", as defined here, has most of the problem that "fact checking" for social media had. Many of the same problems the "woke" concern about "microagressions" had. Most of the techniques used in advertising. Much of what passes for political discourse today has the same problems. It's somewhat convincing bullshit.

Should AIs be held to a higher standard than X/Twitter? Than Reddit? Than Fox News? What censorship is appropriate? And, yes, alignment is censorship.

Then there's the big problem of chatbots telling you what you seem to want to hear. This is an old problem. "Happy Talk", from South Pacific", is the entertainment version. "Wartime" by Paul Fussell, is the serious version.

As the article points out, a small percentage of the population is very vulnerable to certain types of misinformation. It may be the same fraction of the population that's vulnerable to cults. But maybe not. Cults have a group self-reinforcing mechanism and an agenda. Chatbots have neither. Worth studying.

The point here is that restrictions on chatbots strong enough to protect the vulnerable would close off most political and social discourse.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXgmQDFhPjo


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scared_togethertoday at 7:44 AM

> Should AIs be held to a higher standard than X/Twitter? Than Reddit? Than Fox News? What censorship is appropriate? And, yes, alignment is censorship.

Yes, a thousand times yes. Freedom of speech/expression should be a freedom granted to humans. We extend it to corporations based on the practical reality that human speech often requires corporate support to be hosted and published.

But as far as I know, AI vendors haven’t claimed that their models represent the views of their founders, employees or any people at all. If we censor AI, which human voice are we censoring?

lazystartoday at 7:14 AM

the counterpoint is that allowing unlimited discourse places an enourmous amount pf power in the hands of the chatbot owner, who has access to all logs and input from each user. this prevents one chatbot owner from advertising "you can say anything here!!" then using the logs as blackmail down the road.