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benj111today at 7:31 AM10 repliesview on HN

I never understood why nation states pay outside companies for this stuff. You need the expertise to actually evaluate what you're getting anyway. Incentives are in no way aligned. At the state level you have the scale to do it in house.


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Symbiotetoday at 8:19 AM

If a senior government employee can get a very expensive Palantir contract approved, they have a good chance of a much better paid job at Palantir in the future:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/26055524.palantir-hired-30...

maelntoday at 9:29 AM

This is a paradox that you see in many countries. I work for a private company that make software for the public sector in France, so I am very familiar with the subject. And to be fair, there are many cases where using contractor does make a lot of sense (seasonality or infrequent demands, shared resources, etc). But a lot of the population sees public spending as the biggest evil. This lead to the public sector putting a huge pressure on their biggest spending : payroll. This means fewer employees and worse pay. That makes the public sector not attractive to talent and unable to create a workforce for specific project that should have been fully in control of the public entity. Due to this, the public sector often has to go through private contractor, which ironically often cost more than if you had the skills internally. But increase the number of employee in your municipality and a part of the taxpayers are going to crucify you (somehow they are ok with paying millions to private contractors though). The internal vs. external spending is a difficult one and there is a lot of subtlety to it. Sadly, in the public discourse it is often reduced to "public spending bad" or "everything should be nationalized".

SXXtoday at 8:25 AM

Because "nation states" are not one making decision either. It's done by one specific career bureaucrat or group of them and even best of people who work on such positions usually choose it because of job security and stability.

Spending 10x more on IBM or Palantir can't get them fired, but trying to build something in-house their organization don't have competence for can get them fired.

And this is even if you don't take lobbying or corruption into account.

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mike_hearntoday at 8:40 AM

Buy: you need expertise in contracts and knowing what you need.

Build: you need expertise in contracts, knowing what you need and also software development.

It's obviously easier to buy than build, especially for civil service roles where they can't attract the best developers due to political/ideological constraints.

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esperenttoday at 8:22 AM

Plausible deniability. "We paid £5 million for consultants who recommended this system, it's not our fault it turned out to be a steaming pile of crap that wasted £20 million and took 3 years".

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bkotoday at 9:56 AM

Isn't it obvious? Because governments aren't good at management. There's no incentive or feedback loop. A company goes out of business if it's operationally a mess or doesn't deliver value. Not always but it's highly correlated. Governments face no pressure like this. Maybe mild pressure on the very local level. But when you get to the national level, orgs like the Pentagon misplace trillions of dollars with not so much of a protest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Offi...

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pjc50today at 9:06 AM

See my comment on the AI replacing consultants story: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48133728

xyzzy123today at 9:31 AM

If you get someone else to do it you are not responsible for failure.

nielsbottoday at 8:41 AM

if Palantir (or other consultancies) are friends with government decision makers (especially in the US) then spending more on a service is a feature, not a bug.