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trollbridgeyesterday at 1:23 PM6 repliesview on HN

Agreed. The main reason we believe consciousness exists is because we all experience it. So it’s hard to deny.


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kevin42yesterday at 3:39 PM

“We experience it, therefore it exists” proves less than it seems. It proves there is an experience to explain. It does not prove that consciousness is what it appears to be from the inside. A mirage is still seen, but the thing it seems to show is not really there. Consciousness might be real in that same limited sense, while our folk model of it could be deeply wrong.

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n4r9yesterday at 1:46 PM

I think the article has an interesting argument here. We also "experience" the sun going up and down in the sky. But actually this is an illusion of our vantage point on a spinning rock.

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tim333yesterday at 1:37 PM

But the debate isn't whether consciousness exists. It's largely whether it's the product of normal neurons doing their thing or something more. Also the details of how it works of course.

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orduyesterday at 1:39 PM

Your arguments reminds me of logical loop. A implies B, B implies A. It doesn't mean that A and B are true. You have to be conscious to experience and to be conscious means to to experience. Maybe we are not conscious after all and do not experience? Maybe it is just a lie we are telling ourselves?

phkahleryesterday at 2:07 PM

>> The main reason we believe consciousness exists is because we all experience it.

What about the NPC meme? LLMs behave like NPCs, and some people seem no more conscious than an NPC (I didn't invent that meme).

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olalondeyesterday at 6:46 PM

As a philosophical zombie, I have to disagree here.