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winstonwinstonyesterday at 8:44 PM16 repliesview on HN

> I expect tools like this to be a regular part of the development lifecycle from here on. We code with AI, we review with AI, we search for vulns with AI. Even if it isn't perfect, it is easily worth the cost IMHO.

So, how is that supposed to work? Claude Code generates security bugs, then Claude Security finds them, then Claude Code generate fix, spend tokens, profit?


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ygjbyesterday at 8:58 PM

Yeah, with a budget assigned. This is actually just software development and security right?

Developers create software, which has bugs. Users (including bad guys, pen testers, QA folks, automated scans etc, etc, etc) find bugs, including security bugs, Developers fix bugs and maybe make more. It's an OODA loop, and continues until the developers decide to stop supporting the software.

Whether that fits into the business model, or the value proposition of spending tokens instead of engineer hours or user hours is fundamentally a risk management decision and whether or not the developer (whether OSS contributor, employee, business owner, etc) wants to invest their resources into maintaining the project.

While not evenly distributed, and not perfect, the currently available and behind embargoed tools are absolutely impactful, and yes, they are expensive to operate right now - it may not always be the case, but the "Attacks always get better" adage applies here. The models will get cheaper to run, and if you don't want to pay for engineers or reward volunteers to do the work, then you've got to pay for tokens, or spend some other resource to get the work done.

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jimmy2timesyesterday at 8:50 PM

The AIs have already figured out how to succeed in a software job:

1. Ship bugs

2. Fix them

3. You're the hero!

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rco8786today at 11:13 AM

Software engineers generate security bugs, Software engineers find them, then Software engineers generate fix, collect salary, profit?

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jstummbilligyesterday at 9:19 PM

Ngl, watching folks getting irritated about normal employer-employee absurdities from the employer perspective through usage of agents and having to pay for tokens has been a little therapeutic for me.

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teiferertoday at 7:10 AM

All my sibling comments are missing the message here which is that if Claude can find security issues then it can avoid them right when writing the code, so it could just never commit anything containing a security issue.

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kolibertoday at 4:51 AM

Replace “Claude code” with “programmers” and you get what we’ve had up until now. It’s all just moving quicker now.

yojotoday at 1:40 AM

You can hook traditional SAST into your coding tool, and get cheap-ish realtime detection for some classes of vulns while coding.

You can optionally layer LLM diff scanning if you want to burn some tokens on your tokens. Modern tools can catch some impressively subtle issues.

soraminazukitoday at 11:05 AM

I wonder how many minivans Anthropic is going to code themselves.

raincoleyesterday at 9:02 PM

Humans work like that too. If you're not comfortable with Claude involves in every step (for whatever reason) then just use different providers for each.

designerarvidtoday at 12:28 PM

Just refactor and rebrand all of it as Claude Code and see it as one process.

mordymooptoday at 2:29 AM

This also describes the work of software engineers.

jzer0cooltoday at 2:35 AM

New era of cat and mouse.

unethical_banyesterday at 9:15 PM

How is this supposed to work? Humans generate security bugs, then humans find them, then humans generate the fix, profit?

Yeah. Presumably as AI code generation gets better, the output gets better. As smaller portions of code are stitched together, human/AI systems analyze it holistically to make sure all its integrations are secure and bug free.

In 2026, different models are better at different things. Cheap models can plan and do small/medium code projects well, more expensive models are even better at architecture and exploit discovery.

idiotsecantyesterday at 11:14 PM

Yes. Up until this point the bottleneck was how many developers you could convince to help you. Now it's how much money you can dump into it. Like everything else, software is becoming a game where the winner is the organization most willing to spend money. It'll be like bombs or tanks - you need smart people to advance in the war, but you also need money and material, the material is just compute infra.

predkambrijyesterday at 10:27 PM

Man, some people like conspiracies. I encourage you to replicate all that.

siva7yesterday at 8:52 PM

So? That's how a business works. We sold you landmines and now you need them removed? Lucky you we also have mine clearance products.

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