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jason_osteryesterday at 9:44 PM1 replyview on HN

The definition of extortion is the coercion of money in "exchange for protection", where the threat to be protected against is typically perpetrated by the coercer. I'm not using the term in the literal sense, as if an antivirus software firm is producing computer viruses. Thus, this case "feels like extortion", not "we are being extorted". (It may as well be advertising firms selling ad blocking software because the net effect to the end user is the same, but I digress.)

FWIW, I don't consider surgeons to be extortionists. That's an absurdity that you are using as illustrative of why I'm wrong to call software developers extortionists when they charge for a privilege that should be a right. There are two issues with the comparison: 1) I did not call software engineers extortionists (but sure, I can see how you drew that conclusion), and 2) people absolutely should have a right to life-saving surgery and should not be denied on the basis of payment.

There is a huge preexisting problem: health care is not a human right [1]. There are other issues with health care that isn't just money. Many life-saving transplant patents are stuck in a wait list, for instance, and many die waiting. I do what I can. I'm a registered organ donor and try not to destroy my liver. I just haven't died yet, and I still need it. But this line of reasoning is off in the weeds, and I won't pursue it further.

Perhaps what it comes down to is that you have a pro-capitalist outlook, and I have They Live sunglasses.

[1]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1126951/


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latexrtoday at 12:11 AM

> FWIW, I don't consider surgeons to be extortionists.

Of course, that’s the point of the comparison. If I thought you thought surgeons were extortionists I wouldn’t have used the example because it wouldn’t have served to illustrate the point.

> But this line of reasoning is off in the weeds, and I won't pursue it further.

Indeed, that strayed completely away from the point. This has nothing to do with healthcare.

> Many life-saving transplant patents are stuck in a wait list, for instance, and many die waiting.

I know. I’ve made that point in a sibling comment hours before your post.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48259154

> Perhaps what it comes down to is that you have a pro-capitalist outlook

Making assumptions about strangers on the internet tends to be embarrassing, and this is no exception.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38999857

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46854217

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46853865

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46564646

> and I have They Live sunglasses.

https://xkcd.com/610/