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simonwtoday at 4:25 AM2 repliesview on HN

I've chosen to define "agency" as pretty much "the thing that humans can do and agents can't". To me, agency is the thing where you independently decide what it is you want to get done in the world, based on your own inherent goals.

Being able to say "the one thing agents don't have is agency" is a really useful way to help people understand why people still matter.

Setting software agents loose on the world to make their own top-level decisions about what they're going to do is a great way to infuriate Rob Pike https://simonwillison.net/2025/Dec/26/slop-acts-of-kindness/ or unfairly attack the reputation of Scott Shambaugh https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on... or waste the time of your local police permit office and suppliers https://andonlabs.com/blog/ai-cafe-stockholm


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0xbadcafebeetoday at 6:45 AM

> agency is the thing where you independently decide what it is you want to get done in the world, based on your own inherent goals

If a company you work for tells you to do something, and you do it, did you have agency? Was it their goal you were accomplishing? Or was it your goal to make money?

> "the one thing agents don't have is agency" is a really useful way to help people understand why people still matter

Do you think people wouldn't matter anymore if they cease to write code? People didn't used to write code. Code didn't even exist before. Now they don't have to do the thing they didn't used to have to do.

> Setting software agents loose on the world to make their own top-level decisions about what they're going to do is a great way to infuriate

I remember the first time I encountered a trojan horse virus. I was probably 14, sitting in the computer lab. I opened a document, and a program started going to town on the documents, program settings, etc. It opened up browsers to sites we weren't supposed to go to, uploaded passwords to a remote site, changed the desktop background. I thought it was pretty cool!

I wondered how it was that the program could do all these things. I wondered about the motivations of the person who infected the document with the trojan. I wondered why the school administrators didn't do something to prevent this from happening. But I didn't feel any negative feeling towards the trojan; it was just doing what it was programmed to do, on computers that let it do those things.

Later I patched the computers so the trojans couldn't infect the machines anymore. I was banned from the computer lab for unauthorized modifications to school property. Apparently agency is not always worth exercising.

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dist-epochtoday at 9:47 AM

You are contradicting yourself a bit.

First you say "the one thing agents don't have is agency" but then "to make their own top-level decisions".

Well, which one is it? If they don't have agency, then it's impossible for them to make top-level decision on their own.

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