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hn_throwaway_99yesterday at 10:17 PM5 repliesview on HN

Yeah, this entire article is pretty transparent that it's from the sender perspective, and worried about platforms taking over "sender control".

Who is he kidding? The vast majority of apps have absolutely proven they can't be trusted to respect your attention. From my perspective, the more roadblocks the platforms put between unnecessary notifications and my phone, the better. And I don't think Apple or Google are some sort of heroes here, but I do believe their incentives better align with mine than the marketing department of some app I was forced to download because I bought a ticket once or something like that.


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tambebyesterday at 11:07 PM

Notification categories are like mailing lists now. You may have unsubscribed from the daily deals email but you're still going to be auto subscribed to every new slightly modified category in perpetuity. Unless you fully disable notifications for an app (in Android at least, in my experience), new enabled by default notification categories are added all the time.

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0cf8612b2e1eyesterday at 11:15 PM

I recently had to setup Microsoft Authenticator. It refused to register a code unless I enabled notifications.

You are a two factor app. I should never be in a situation where there is an unexpected login I need to verify.

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account42today at 8:54 AM

This is all a consequence from running software that doesn't respect you and notification are just one of many symptoms.

I'd rather choose better software than let Google/Apple decide what software running on my device is allowed to do.

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iamalizardyesterday at 10:54 PM

> From my perspective, the more roadblocks the platforms put between unnecessary notifications and my phone, the better.

I know lots of apps behave badly when it comes to notifications but I'd still prefer if the apps controlled the level of notifications they sent. I could, of course, reduce that client-side, but I don't see why I'd want Google or Apple or any other intermediary see or control the notifications.

If an app behaves inappropriately, I could uninstall it. If a gatekeeper like Google or Apple prevent an app from sending me notifications, I'd have to change my OS, usually my hardware, too.

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graemeptoday at 8:17 AM

> I do believe their incentives better align with mine than the marketing department of some app I was forced to download because I bought a ticket once or something like that.

Align better for now. It will get enshittified.

I try very hard to avoid installing apps specific to a particular business or organisation. So far I have only had to install a government app and some from banks. Even those are avoidable (but it would be very inconvenient to do so).