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benj111today at 10:28 AM3 repliesview on HN

Given the state of missile tech, is that as relevant anymore? If you strap a missile on to a Cessna that can take down a 5th gen fighter before it knows you're there. Doesn't really matter what fancy doodads the latest and greatest jet has.

Further if your 5th gen jets are relying on tech from your adversary....


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lobocinzatoday at 12:56 PM

The fancy doodads 5th generation has is reduced radar signature, improved sensors and data-link. The 5th generation can see and fire against a 4th gen fighter and evade before being detected and it can do that without EWACS (which are big, slow and easy to kill). That's why the US has a gap on replacing the current EWACS because it doesn't really need them.

funnym0nk3ytoday at 1:27 PM

Yes and no, there is no easy binary answer here.

At altitude most AA is radar based, thus a lower RCS will help directly in not being seen. So you can get closer to the enemy you still can see because of the higher RCS. For BVR fights this is essential.

Those machines shouldn't be low level though. IR missles don't care about RCS. It is not their natural territory either.

Third that Cessna is not hidden either. From above (i.e. an AWACS) it can be seen very good. From the ground it can hide low and slow. But so can dedicated planes too, which is practised regularly.

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ifwintercotoday at 10:51 AM

I'm not an expert by any means but my understanding is improved missiles mean this is more relevant than ever.

Non-stealthy 4th gen fighters are sitting ducks in 2026 against a peer opponent as we've seen in ukraine