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znort_today at 11:45 AM2 repliesview on HN

>Also because it was considering joining the EU. >The Russians threatened at least as early as 2008 that they would invade Ukraine if they did either.

this is not true. nato, yes, but russia made it repeatedly clear for years they had no problem with ukraine joining the eu, as a mainly economic/political entity.

it has only been this year that this position has shifted, the argument being that eu has morphed into a fully hostile military entity aswell.

btw, popular opinion in ukraine was strongly divided regarding joining the eu even before the coup and the ensuing civil war, and particularly against joining nato. also, there were no real prospects for ukraine joining the eu because the eu wouldn't really want that. to this day they still don't.

> They actually invaded Ukraine in 2014 and captured a lot of territory.

russian invasion started in february 2022. 2014 was the ousting of the legitimate government, secession of crimea and donbas, ukraine declaring donbas secessionist to be terrorists and starting a bombing campaign and the civil war.

if you're referring to the "green men" in crimea: those were the ukranian (but culturally russian) garrissoned troops that immediately after the coup removed the ukranian patches from their uniforms and defected to the russian side en masse.


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ethbr1today at 12:06 PM

> if you're referring to the "green men" in crimea: those were the ukranian (but culturally russian) garrissoned troops

If you want to believe that Russia had no military forces in Ukraine before 2022, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Or do you think Russia is in the habit of randomly transporting air defense systems with Russian crew through different nation-states they have nothing to do with? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17#Fi...

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graemeptoday at 2:19 PM

> russian invasion started in february 2022. 2014 was the

https://web.archive.org/web/20140825144115/https://abcnews.g...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31796226

> ousting of the legitimate government, secession of crimea and donbas, ukraine declaring donbas secessionist to be terrorists and starting a bombing campaign and the civil w

That is the Russian argument justifying the invasion. its irrelevant to whether an invasion occurred or not