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arpinumtoday at 9:20 AM2 repliesview on HN

How many watts is that setup? Cool you got it to work, but maybe only useful for vintage / retro computing rather than practical if the energy consumption makes it economically wasteful.


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vetromtoday at 2:57 PM

IDK about OPs setup, but I run a pile of E5-2683v4 Xeon recycled servers for Ceph and self hosted business SaaS usage.

One node's ipmitool sensor report (and self-monitoring PSU, so grain of salt, but my UPS side monitoring tracks closely), reports 250-300w average power use. This though, mind you is for running 22 spinning disks, 2 SAS/SATA SSDs, and 4 NVME ssds, and 768GB of DDR4.

Mid-gen 2015ish Xeons were not great at power reduction, but if you are pegging the cores, they were never particularly slow, and they did have lots of PCIe lanes. This boils down to the CPU/mobo itself not being that big a cost floor, especially if you have high utilization rates.

As a comparison, my main desktop development machine, running a Threadripper 9970X, 128GB of DDR5, a RDNA4 GPU, and a small pile of NVME drives has a power floor of roughly 250W. Some CPU centric workloads you'll definitely lose out on on the older gens of machines, but they are by no means impractical.

Maybe for a desktop usecase they are absolutely suboptimal nowadays, but for a lot of realworld usecases I would say they're still relevant.

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Like the author posts for the LLM usecase, I think optimizing the hardware choice to the application and not leaving levers unpulled is a big key, especially considering how wide a variety of bandwidth/power draw/peak frequency/corecount SKUs exist in the Xeon lines. Without knowing what you intend to run and fitting the correct processor to it, you will end up with a disappointingly poor environment fit.

RetroTechietoday at 12:34 PM

How many kWh to fabricate a brand new machine better suited to the task?

As long as performance is useable (apply your own metrics!), pulling it from existing hardware is likely the option with the lower eco footprint.

Also: chances are it'll only be used for this purpose occasionally, and/or for a short while. In that scenario [fabricating new hardware] always has the bigger eco footprint.

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