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Speculative KV coding: losslessly compressing KV cache by up to ~4×

121 pointsby kkmlast Thursday at 3:29 PM20 commentsview on HN

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zozbot234today at 9:03 AM

The problem with this approach is that even recomputing a "draft" of the KV cache is still quadratic in context length. Maybe you can get some constant savings by always recomputing the earliest tokens, but it's not a good tradeoff as context sizes grow.

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syllogistictoday at 2:06 PM

How do these results compare with the engram based approach from deepseek?

hypfertoday at 8:18 AM

TL;DR (and please correct me if I got it wrong):

Tiny deterministic model predicts the K/V cache, prediction is compared with reality, delta is stored in vram. The other way round then just predicts the values again, applies the delta, and you have the full correct value while just storing the delta

And this works because you're never looking at the whole k/v cache but always just a slice. So you just need a memory buffer of the size of the slice

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If this works out and I've understood correctly, that _I think_ would mean that a 24GB RTX 4090 could fit 256k q8 context next to Qwen3.6-27B at IQ4_NL.

Or, alternatively, something like 208k context (matching claude api limits of 200k in some plans) with a slightly larger quant like UD-Q4_K_XL.

That would be massive. Especially since the thing has so much compute to spare.

Though, all depending on the size of that predictor model I guess?

ssivarktoday at 11:04 AM

Note that any cache (eg LRU-eviction) is just a specific speculative model for future usage :-)

The cache can be backed by hardware/lookup, or by a cheap computation. The line between functions and data is really blurry.

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0-_-0today at 9:02 AM

You can use the original model to compress the kv cache and get ∞x compression, since the prediction is perfect. The cost is time, and I don't see how this could be worth it.

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monster_trucktoday at 10:41 AM

There is no compression taking place here.

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mirekrusintoday at 8:38 AM

If “speculative” approach works so well in different contexts why not make it first class and use everywhere, possibly recursively?

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haeseongtoday at 12:16 PM

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porridgeraisintoday at 8:38 AM

I am yet to do a "deep dive" into the results, but what a well written article. An LLM could _never_ write so crisply.