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tristanjtoday at 4:30 AM6 repliesview on HN

On a fundamental level, the S&P 500 index is meant to be a benchmark of the market. Journalists, policymakers, investment managers, politicians, regular investors, everyone I know all use the S&P 500 as the benchmark of the US stock market.

If a significant percentage of the market is excluded from the index because they don't meet index inclusion criteria, then then index stops being a useful benchmark.


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usef-today at 5:17 AM

S&P500 is not a total market index. It tracks a specific kind of large firm, with certain filters.

Fast tracking means that the market likely wont have enough time to find the settled price (especially with the knowledge that passive funds are about to buy), and including a mispriced thing does not necessarily make the benchmark more accurate.

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majormajortoday at 5:00 AM

> If a significant percentage of the market is excluded from the index because they don't meet index inclusion criteria, then then index stops being a useful benchmark.

So what's the reason for fast entry specifically? If it's a significant portion of the market and will remain so, it doesn't need an accelerated entry. A benchmark should be conservative about new entrants so that it doesn't turn from a market benchmark to a trend/fad benchmark.

If time validates the valuations the entry will come in time, just like for previous entries.

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onion2ktoday at 7:31 AM

If a significant percentage of the market is excluded from the index because they don't meet index inclusion criteria, then then index stops being a useful benchmark.

If you change a benchmark whenever you think it'll be 'wrong', then it becomes a measure of the heuristics you use to predict what'll impact the benchmark rather than a benchmark in its own right.

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matwoodtoday at 7:19 AM

Matt Levine, who probably knows more about finance than anyone on this site, has said the same thing. He’s also talked about all the hate mail he gets. Large market etfs like VTI or VOO are supposed to track the market. It would be weird if they ignored trillion+ market cap companies. If the market decides to dump these companies then they’ll fall out of the index.

Index criteria have also changed many times over the years, and they are changing again to deal with later stage companies coming to the market with already huge valuations.

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lovichtoday at 4:48 AM

It’s a benchmark of the market under certain rules, like having multiple quarters of earnings for the market to value them at.

These companies want special exceptions. If you are an exception why should you be included in a benchmark? At best they should have an asterisk against their name like Sammy Sosa or Mark McGuire if they are not following the same rules.

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MobiusHorizonstoday at 4:49 AM

It may be used as a benchmark, but that’s not actually the purpose of it. The purpose is to serve as a way for people to invest in a representative sample of the market. It can still be a representative sample with safeguards. If you want a benchmark without safeguards, you can calculate one without risking millions of people’s life savings.

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