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LogicFailsMeyesterday at 6:53 PM6 repliesview on HN

So crazy question: take a dehumidifier, attach some solar panels, and deploy at scale for non-potable water suitable for crop irrigation anywhere that isn't a desert. Does it work? And if not, why?


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oceanplexianyesterday at 10:40 PM

The short answer is all those problems have already been solved.

Israel desalinates 75-85% of its drinking water. The problem is political and economic dysfunction.

California for example could be doing widespread desalination with nuclear power and technology from the 1970s. They could also greatly expand reservoirs and waterways, but don’t do it. Very similar to Rome in the 400s, when people were using aqueducts built by a past civilization but lost the ability to construct them.

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LarsAlereonyesterday at 7:12 PM

It takes too much energy and produces water too slowly to scale. In general any area with sufficient moisture in the air to explore this also has easier access to rain and ground water.

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KaiserProtoday at 1:56 PM

Yield depends on humidity, which varies according to region and season.

It also requires more infrastructure to get yield. In theory all you'd need to have is these etched metal plates, a transparent dome and a source of briny water. (and a cleaning mechanism)

The etched plates creates 100% humidity (probably more as it'll condense out)

mrguyoramayesterday at 7:07 PM

It "works" in the sense that this is what 99% of "Get water from air" scams are.

The reason it doesn't actually work is that it is extremely inefficient. Getting water to condense requires you to somehow reject massive quantities of heat. That's fundamental to physics.

Also, literally anywhere a dehumidifier is reasonably effective, is humid and usually doesn't have such dire water problems. Deserts have extremely low humidity and dehumidifiers working in a desert will produce very little water.

Even a good humidifier in a humid environment is burning KW to generate on the order of ten liters of water a day.

There are a couple places on earth that are essentially deserts but have an early morning humid fog roll through regularly, and those places figured out capturing that water in the air long long before we invented the refrigeration cycle.

It is literally cheaper to desalinate.

Maybe you could build giant greenhouses to fill with sea water and let the sun evaporate the water and collect that with a dehumidifier? Still absurdly inefficient. Water has such an obscene specific capacity for heat that any thermal avenue of separating it from something else will use immense energy.

wagwangyesterday at 9:33 PM

The humid areas where they might work probably already have a lot of water?

casey2yesterday at 7:07 PM

What do you mean work? No, because there is no single dehumidifier on the market that will get you enough water, so you are out $80 grand, you could have just paid for water delivery.