alt Hacker NewsMy view is, if you're going to use the service - you should give the data.
It's like using Gmail and expecting them not to train their AI models on your data - how can you expect that when they're giving you a secure, reliable, highly functional email client completely for free?
The digital economy only works if everyone pays their fair share. If you don't want to give your data then you are really harming everyone by slowing down AI development for everyone else.
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Apple is a good example of ethical services. They still give you privacy and ownership of your data, you keep your dignity and data. Google is a horrible model for this - it matches the whole thing about unethical, abusive, gaslighting relationships I described.
However, you didn't actually get what I meant down, so you ended up inadvertently Straw Manning me.
My disinterest is in sharing my intellectual IP. Most people up to now, have never shared this much of their intellectual IP with a company. Name one product through human history before that got this much data and insight into human thinking and now can use your most intimate conversations, ideas and needs for non-training purposes?
You can't even opt out of that! At least for the training data you can opt-out.
Because we pay for the models.
If I pay you for a service, what implicit right should you have to then continue to profit in perpetuity by storing the data I paid you to process?
If LLMs were free your Gmail analogy might hold up. They aren’t, and so it doesn’t.
AI development can continue with the data folks opt into, or with the data AI companies incessantly scrape with reckless disregard for polite system loads. AI development does not require retaining all user inputs forever.