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apical_dendritetoday at 2:06 AM6 repliesview on HN

I wonder why we as engineers aren't protesting AI in the same way that artists and people in film and television are. This post should instill the same terror that visual artists feel.

If you're a more senior person in tech, this post is effectively saying that a large portion of your skillset is about to become completely worthless. This goes beyond the skills involved in writing the code. Everything that you've learned over years about how to determine whether code is good or bad, and what practices make an engineering team effective is not just obsolete, it's fundamentally counter-productive because it assumes a slow, human-centric process that requires you to actually review and understand the code. Even your ability to mentor junior engineers is now obsolete, because all that experience you've built up is now worthless to them.

If this is the approach the industry takes, particularly when combined with a lack of interest in quality from the business (and let's face it, consumers have shown us that they're happy to pay for cheap crap), it's hard to see much of a future for software engineers. You don't need thousands of people with deep technical expertise, you need a handful of manager-types, who will focus on defining product and business requirements and configuring how the AI gets enough context to implement the requirements.

Maybe, if we're extremely lucky, there's so much demand for software that total employment doesn't fall off a cliff, but the nature of the work will change so much that many older, more expensive engineers will become unemployable. Those who remain will have to accept that the skills they spend decades developing are now worthless, that younger engineers no longer respect or listen to them, that the business no longer sees them as experts worthy of respect, but old fogies who grew up in a different world.

Joe Biden liked to say that a job is more than just a paycheck, it's part of your identity and your sense of self-worth. We're all very used to a certain level of respect (and commensurate remuneration). If you don't think that's true, compare how a software engineer is treated to how a warehouse worker is treated. What happens when we lose that?


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linsomniactoday at 2:25 AM

>a large portion of your skillset is about to become completely worthless

I'm not convinced of that.

I watched a video of an architect using AI to create architectural drawings. It became very clear to me that he has a lot of skills and terminology that helped him produce something very specific, in a few minutes. I've been working on some home improvement stuff including a studio/shed and I've struggled to produce even something simple (currently trying to get a conversation packet on the roof trusses to take the the permit department to get started). Even with my high school architecture class.

After watching that I wonder how much of what I'm doing with AI that looks easy is because I hae a deep technical knowledge, plus 3 years of heavy work with AI.

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YZFtoday at 4:35 AM

What is that protest going to get us? We'll convince or force business leaders to not use a cheaper/better tool and protect our jobs? And nobody else in the world is going to pivot either? And our companies will remain competitive?

Software engineers have always adapted to new technologies. New languages, frameworks, native apps, browser apps etc. So far this doesn't seem to be close to completely removing us from the loop.

If you are smart, educated, and can adapt, you'll figure it out. The economy has to find some stable equilibrium and it's not a zero sum game. Everyone in the economy getting a paycheck is also a consumer. With no consumers there is no business. The companies who are using AI and become more productive can do more things that before were not profitable but now are. Some of the people who are getting laid off are going to start new businesses and hire people. These things always cycle, and they basically have to.

I don't have a crystal ball though.

briHasstoday at 2:53 AM

It's the other way around, unfortunately. The senior engineers will still be useful for architecture and infrastructure considerations, as well as guiding the agents. It's the junior engineers that get nailed, because there's little incentive to hire one when a LLM does a better job immediately and costs less.

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mhitzatoday at 5:35 AM

Individual voices aren't strong enough to drown the marketing machine.

Artists and writers are unionized, why they have a more powerful collective voice.

Second, there are enough peole for which their jobs are very well paid and too cozy to dare to rock the boat.

The economy and job market isn't so hot either at the moment for people to quickly be able to jump ship.

Can you even be sure that you find a tech company that isn't jumping head first onto the AI hype train? Even politicians can't have enough of AI in their mouth.

usernametaken29today at 5:30 AM

I for one am not protesting because I know that this is bullshit marketing nonsense. Look at reliability metrics of OpenAI, they’re terrible. Everyone knew a long way ahead that it’s a scam, now they’re cranking up pricing and trying to rug pull. There will be a lot of developers who will come out very well once the stock tanks. That’s my two cents

zuzululutoday at 5:43 AM

engineers undervalue their own process

artists overvalue their own outputs